On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 14:56 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> OJ W wrote:
> > the ability to create an uncopiable map image from OSM data
> > does seem to have appeared in the ODbL license?
> 
> You can create an image and (provided that your image is not a data 
> base, a distinction that has not yet been resolved) restrict copying of 
> the image.

I believe that an image is not a database, but is Produced Work.  Take a
png tile.  For any non-trival render there is a loss of information in
the conversion from database to image some tags are un-rendered.  This
loss of fidelity in some areas allows increased attention to say, cycle
paths.  That is a creative work that requires skill and judgement.  

Evil Evan tries to reverse engineer a png and turn it back into a
database so that it is searchable, indexable, etc. Evil Evan is creating
another database from the ODbL with the image as an intermediate step.
So that new database must be under the terms of the ODbL or in violation
of it.  We know that Evil Evan is both evil and stupid because the
direct database to database conversion is permitted under ODbL.  His
only motivation can be to try to evade the ODbL but he is out of luck.
He was notified of ODbL by the attribution in the image.  Bad
violator.  

> This is essential if we want to give users the chance to combine OSM 
> material with other, more restrictively licensed material, into images 
> or other products.

I say we can.  See Collective Databases.  OSM (ODbL), CGIAR (NC) are
collective but separate databases.  They are combined into a single
image from those separate databases by the renderer to become a Produced
Work.  The Produced Work may be licensed at your discretion given you
obligations to the Collective Databases, ODbL (attribution) and CGIAR
(NC).   

Best regards,
Richard


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