On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:

> The French cadastre imports are, as you know, a rather controversial
> subject. In my opinion it is a dataset that doesn't actually increase the
> usefulness of the OSM dataset for most users (building outlines without
> addresses just don't really help with anything) and distracts beginner
> mappers from actually mapping (1st time mappers are recommend to immediately
> start importing insted of going outside). Further more, like essentially all
> imports, the external dataset is not about to go away, so there is no reason
> to prioritize this import over adding useful stuff.

I'm sure you had a look on all major cities and towns in France.
Having buildings and addresses is "useful". And adding the second are
much easier when the first are already present.
In urban areas with all buildings and addresses, OSM is complete
enough for new contributors to add POI's accurately without the need
of aerial imagery or GPS devices. OSM becomes independant when it is
reaching this level of details (and we are not speaking about kerbs
which are also available in some places and that are "usefull" for
e.g. wheelchair mappers).
If you have to demonstrate OSM capacities, do you prefer Paris, Texas,
US (http://osm.org/go/TvVR~Qa3--) or Paris, France
(http://osm.org/go/0BOd0n5Q--) ?
"prioritizing" is another point. It's a long time now that OSM is not
only about streets. We are contacted for instance by people who wants
to use OSM buildings data to study photocell installations or urban
dispersion. For them, the road network is not their "priority" in
geodata.

> However it would seem to be a very reasonable, light-weight, requirement
> that the imported data be separated from personal contributions, just as we
> require from other imports (yes I have heard all the stories about
> everything being manually checked etc, if you believe that, I have a couple
> of bridges that I would like to sell to you).

But it is separated by the "source" tag.

> PS: and I didn't even complained about the 3GB of cadastre source tags that
> we distribute with every planet
A bit off-topic since it is a requirement from the data source
independtly of using a separate account or not, but surely a problem
growing in time. We are also unhappy with this and would be greatful
if it could be solved.

Pieren

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