On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier <j...@liotier.org> wrote: > Before we go further with policy edits, perhaps we should make sure that > everyone understands the goals and that there is a consensus about > them... That will make the resulting rules or guidelines more acceptable.
Since you[1] are trying to revise guidelines that are found to be acceptable across the community you'll also want to be clear about how that is a benefit to the community at large. :-) I'm all for clearing up the multiple documents. But let's be clear on the facts at hand. A group of importers decided that they weren't going to follow the guidelines. Then one failed to respond when approached about a specific guideline. And now a group is upset to find that their self-declared-being-above-the-other-mappers is not widely supported. It would be easier to accept your sudden interest in clarifying guidelines if you'd shown any intention to follow them. Do you know who else asks for exceptions to the OSM guidelines when DWG halts them for non-compliance? - Politically motivated editors. Those who insist that "their" language must be first or only or default language on a node or road or other object without concern for the on the ground rule or other mappers. - The ignorant. They want OSM to match colors on their favourite device or something so they map all roads as highway=motorway and all grass as leisure=park. - Edit war participants. "But it isn't an edit war because they are clearly 'right'. " - Motivated capitalists. "But I have to remove that competing grocery store in my neighbourhood. I need the business." They all got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Back to the requirement for an import account. In private conversations, I've heard many explanations about why mappers haven't / hadn't created an import account. Only a few have claimed not to know of the import account requirement. I've combined their responses and made them generic. - "Too hard to register with another email." I say use username+osmimp...@yourisp.com if they support it. Alternatively, those concerned in the French community can surely offer their members additional email accounts to support their community. - "I don't want to change account settings in JOSM." I say start josm with alternate josm.home directory with your saved credentials. Like: java -Xmx2038M -Djosm.home=/home/username/import -jar /home/username/bin/josm-latest.jar - "Cadastre is not an import." Cadastre is an import. Could you do the same thing if there were no Cadastre to import? No, you couldn't. Cadastre is an import. - "Cadastre is different; I am careful before I upload." All mappers are careful don't insult the rest of the community. :-) Fixing and reconciling data before upload is the obligation you have when contributing. Cadastre is still an import. - "No. I want credit for all of my mapping statistics all in one place." Simplest to fix. UserStat now allows you to combine stats from a group of your accounts. [1] Of course, I don't mean you personally, Jean-Marc. I have no idea of your OSM screen name, if you are a Cadastre importer or if you use an import account. I mean those who have been knowingly ignoring the import guidelines. _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
