So, I finally caught up on the long "Upgraded map controls" and "Bringing new life to OSM.org" threads. I was especially interested in the discussion about where major changes to OSM should be announced, whether on "talk", or "rails-dev", or github, or IRC, or the blog, etc.
As far as I can tell, nobody mentioned the annou...@openstreetmap.org list. Surely that list is an ideal low-traffic venue for informing the community of impending changes, and directing people to an appropriate forum for further discussion? Alan On Jul 22, 2013, at 4:24 PM, colliar wrote: > Am 21.07.2013 22:01, schrieb Frederik Ramm: >> Hi, >> >> On 21.07.2013 21:28, Kai Krueger wrote: >>> It begs the question, if this high level design decisions shouldn't >>> live on >>> the design@ list instead of rails-dev or in the git-hub bug tracker. >> >> Yes, I can imagine that to some a "you only have to follow rails-dev" is >> a very hitchhikers-guidesque response. >> >> My impression is this: >> >> 1. Lots of people re-iterate the mantra that mailing lists (and "talk" >> in particular) are places where you'll only get flak for all your good >> ideas, and endless "bikeshedding", and whatnot. I think that this is not >> supported by facts. >> >> 2. Therefore if you do something you're tempted to ignore the mailing >> lists, as everyone tells you they're the pits of hell. >> >> 3. Therefore, people on the mailing lists - even the majority that is >> not troublemakers - feel sidelined, and complain. >> >> Often even *informing* people in advance could help a lot. >> >> I think that the situation would already be much improved if, when >> something of greater importance pops up on rails-dev or elsewhere, >> someone informs the "talk" list about that. For example, in the specific >> case, once TomH had set up the working branch with the new UI, a quick >> note should have gone up on talk: "look here this new design, being >> discussed here in case you want to say something". A couple of people >> might want to say something but the majority will just be pleased to >> have been told about it. >> >> Anyone can do this cross-pollination of the talk list, and maybe we >> should make it a habit. > > +1 > >> I'll start with: >> >> Hi everyone, there's an idea to provide a new welcome/"landing" page >> used to send new users to, or maybe those who come to OSM via one of the >> sites using OSM maps. It can be viewed here >> >> http://welcome.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/welcome >> >> and the discussion is here >> >> https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/338 > > Please, use an own thread for announcements, otherwise they are often > missed. > > colliar > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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