2015-05-30 8:59 GMT+02:00 Roland Olbricht <roland.olbri...@gmx.de>: > Hi, > > first of all, I appreciate the ongoing work of the DWG in general and > Fredrik in particular to detect, discuss, and handle mass edits resembling > mechanical edits. I will get to them in a separate thread. > > What I would not support in OSM, and like to outsource to Wikidata or >>>> other, is if speakers of these 20 languages were to start assigning >>>> name tags in their language to thousands of places in, say, the UK. >>>> >>> >> Where do you draw the limit? >>> >> [...] > >> Yes, I've thought about that; name:en is very useful for me but >> ultimately, if the locals don't use it, then it isn't "on the ground", >> and then it shouldn't be in OSM really. >> > > I happened to drive through Belgium a few days ago, heading home. A good > approximation of home in this case is "name"="Köln". Actually, I found a > street sign (150 km away from "Köln") that reads "Keulen". Should I have > followed it or not? > > Luckily, in the offline database on my device, the object with > "name"="Köln" had a tag "name:nl"="Keulen". So I know that the sign is > referring to my desired destination. > > The values used in the destination tag ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination) should always display the exact name as it is shown on the signpost
> Please note that > - I had no internet connectivity in that situation, hence "wikidata", any > other external database or even non-copied OSM data was not an option. > - I'm not citing the English name of the object in this mail to avoid > redundancy. Is it worth it? > - No street sign within the extend of the object "name"="Köln" displays > "Keulen", hence it is not "on the [local] ground". > - Not even a street sign within the Netherlands does display "Keulen" > (although associated with ISO code "nl"). They show "Köln". > - I myself live slightly outside the cultural perimeter of "Köln", seen > from "Köln" themselves. Hence, I might be called "non-local" in a > borderline strict sense. > > So in total: Is it really a gain to remove all "name:XX" tags from "Köln"? > And do we want to discuss such cases again and again with overzealous > self-appointed curators? Please note, the DWG does recognize when the > "on-the-ground" rule is a rule of thumb, but others with an OSM account > might not. > > I opt for: If a human mapper decides that it is worth adding "name:XX" to > an object then let him/her do so. All annoying cases are covered by the > mechanical edit policies, we don't need extra strict rules for name tags. > > Best regards, > > Roland > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >
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