Indeed, and bringing this back from a meta-discussion to the practical matters at hand- there are extremely good reasons for human readable changeset comments, and good (and easy) ways to approach encouraging them.
The reasons for them are clear- to facilitate the meta-mapping operation- the idea that OSM is not merely a static collection of data, but an ongoing dialog. Activity related hashtags are great ways of capturing motivation for editing, but do not capture intent. So encouraging comments through examples (such as the wording in the save dialog box) or by moving hashtags to their own tag seems like a nice way of meeting that needs. As for inclusivity- I agree entirely, and to be inclusive, I subscribe to the "rising tide floats all boats" model. That is by focusing on education and examples, by providing a positive community that encourages good behavior as much as it discourages bad behavior, we can get the change we need- if every OSM instruction includes a bit about the importance of changeset comments, for example. - Serge On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Mikel Maron <mikel.ma...@gmail.com> wrote: > While it's factually correct to say that you don't have to take part in the > community to work with OSM, I seldom see that in practice. Missing Maps and > HOT are deeply involved in the OSM community. When we do see this gap > between the data and community anywhere in OSM, it's a great action to take > on, to find ways to make our community welcoming and understandable to more > mappers. We also need to recognize that OSM is a collection of communities, > especially along linguistic lines, and that we need to work more to > integrate in positive ways. > > -Mikel > > * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > > > > On Thursday, November 19, 2015 11:44 AM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote: > > > > > > Am 19.11.2015 um 15:17 schrieb Paul Johnson: > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote: > > This seems a bit of an odd time to announce a schism and I'm sure you didn't > intend for your statement to come across as it just did. > > While rabid anti-OSMers are gaining more power and influence in HOT and MM, > > > Not sure what MM is, but how can you be anti-OSM and be on the Humanitarian > OSM Team? Seems rather self-defeatist. > > > MM == missingmaps, sorry. > > The point is that you can use OSM, the infrastructure and tools, as a > convenient and free service for mapping without buying in to OSM the > collaborative, community driven mapping project, the only thing which is > really required is that you have to live with the licence as determined by > the contributors. In the end not much different than if you were to buy such > a service from ESRI. > > Now we don't really require buy in to OSM the project when people sign up, > historically this has mainly caused issues with individuals and some times > companies that have gone off on a tangent. But there is no doubt that a lot > of things about OSM are "different", the rules, the structures (or rather > the absence of them), how we technically do things and in the end getting > community buy in to whatever you are doing, that are considered pesky > annoyances and particularly a hindrance when you are on a mission to save > the world. > > Simon > > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
