2016-07-12 19:35 GMT+02:00 Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com>: > On 12/07/2016 17:29, Éric Gillet wrote: > > I've read through your posts in this thread, and while it's clear that you > have an issue with the way that things work now, I can't see what that > problem actually is. Can you provide some specific examples of DWG actions > that you think were inappropriate? What do you think should have happened > instead? >
I will summarise what course of action I think would be appropriate to follow : - It's not clear whether AE CoC terms are rules or simply guidelines - As Frederik said, rules should be written well in order to have the legitimacy to be used strictly (ODbL, Contributor's Terms etc.) - Guidelines should contain, well, guidelines that should not be used as a direct basis for reversal. They could be used as part as an argument, but just using one item should not be grounds for reversal by DWG. - In consequence, a choice have to be made : - Either overhaul the current AE CoC, submit it to RFC/voting and use it as a ruleset for contribution after a consensus is reached - Use the current AE CoC as guidelines, not strict rules. > However do bear in mind that just like the vast majority of people in OSM > everyone in the DWG's a volunteer. Some volunteered; others were asked to > join but everyone's unpaid. Also bear in mind that everyone in OSM's a > human being and deserves a basic level of respect - even new users creating > invalid POIs simply because they don't realise they're editing a worldwide > map. > DWG members are volunteers, I am too, you surely are too. Contributor's time is a premium ressources in projects such as OSM. So let's not waste any of it :) > Andy (aka http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse , member of the > DWG but writing in a personal capacity). > Thank you for disclosing that and differentiating between DWG actions/opinions and yours. ----- 2016-07-13 5:36 GMT+02:00 Nicolás Alvarez <nicolas.alva...@gmail.com>: > 2016-07-12 23:08 GMT-03:00 tuxayo <vic...@tuxayo.net>: > > Automated edits should also have a place. For thing like pure tagging > > errors: > > - URLs lacking "https://" prefix > > - leading and trailing spaces in names > > - common, obvious and non ambiguous typos > > The error probability is almost null (error in script or typo?) > > When I searched for typos and leading and trailing spaces in my area, > I found lots of unrelated wrong things. For example, many objects with > trailing spaces in the names were "my house is here" nodes. Or roads > including the name of the political administration that was around > when the road was built (typical political bullshit that appears in > signs sometimes, but it's *not* the name of the road). > > Checking them one by one was a great idea. I agree that often an error is not alone and it would be best to correct all them while explaining to each individual contributor why it's and error, but as I said before, time is a premium. Here are other problems : - It slows down the actual error correction - As I said before : if you lace "completely manual" modifications with "slightly automated" (search/replace) and face objections for the "automated" part of your changesets, there are every chance that the whole changeset would be reverted, or even all the changesets in a time interval (just ask Test360 about it) So what do you suggest : - Do one changeset by feature you're editing, where you both correct the original subject of the error and othoner problems ? (Very slow, but higher quality at the end) - Do both the search and replace and correct other errors on multiple other errors "completely manually" in the same changeset ? (Time efficient but slow, good quality of data, but at risk of reversal of the whole changeset) - Correct "automatically" what can be automatically corrected, and rely on QA tools to spot the other errors ? (Time efficient, quick, but leave other errors untouched) These three approaches seems valid to me, but it doesn't seem to be the case for everyone.
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