So what is intended to replace CartoCSS? Vector tiles? On Fri, Jun 29, 2018, 5:42 AM Frederik Ramm, <frede...@remote.org> wrote:
> Hi, > > without going into the finer details, I'd like to offer an outsider's > view of OSM Carto development. > > When Andy first created OSM Carto, he set out a road map that has long > been superseded but thanks to version control we can still look at it: > > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/v1.0.0/README.md > > Essentially it was: > > v1.0 - re-implement existing stuff in carto > v2.0 - make it more suitable for further development and customisation > v3.0 - tackle the ticket backlog > > What has happened instead is that the easier-to-handle v2.0 was > reasonably successful in attracting volunteers, and now we have a small > team instead of one person doing the style, which is great. But after a > while this small team has started milking the toolchain for all it's > got, and meanwhile the SQL queries are so complex that they threaten to > nullify any effort that has gone into making the style accessible to new > participants (or people who want to customise it). > > So the ease of participating or customising has more or less already > gone down the drain; what's still good about OSM Carto is that at least > you can easily install it as-is on your own infrastructure (I regularly > do that for business clients), but I fear it is only a matter of time > until this aspect of usability, too, will be abandoned, and you will > have to run massive pre-computation jobs in order to even get your map > off the ground... > > Personally speaking, the OSM Carto map has been good enough for me and > all my use cases for years now. If anything, I found the inflation of > icons and special cases a bit irritating. I would love it if OSM Carto > could be split into a "bread and butter" style that is easy to work > with, easy on the eye and easy to render, and a "cartography > navel-gazing" add-on where we show off how we can render different track > patterns depending on the pebble size. We could then offer both on > openstreetmap.org (where the bread-and-butter style would be the default). > > But I'm not involved in OSM Carto development and I won't tell people > how to do their job. Occasionally when I look at OSM Carto tickets I am > in awe about how much work goes into seemingly minor things - how > details are diligently discussed, tried, tested, discarded, done > differently, until they finally come to fruition in a release one year > later. It is great to see this much work and enthusiasm invested in OSM > Carto, and if the price for that is complicated SQL queries then so be > it - the "bread and butter" style I was thinking of could be made by > someone else too. > > Bye > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >
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