* The BIG part of the announcement is that OSM data is now being used to create truly multilingual map with a very large exposure. I hope some people here are not saying that such project should not have been built? If you want to help, see at the end. * I do not think names should be simply copied from WD into OSM - for many of the reasons mentioned above, plus I am not a fan of duplicate data being out of sync. * I do believe Kartotherian (map service used by WMF) should use Wikidata to augment names when missing in OSM. * The fundamental problem is that WMF refuses to do any additional maps work. Basically there was a star tech team put together for a few months to address overwhelming community demand for better maps, rather than spending resources on projects that community has very little interest in. The team delivered some of the hot-button things, but it was dissolved to work on other things. In other words - things that are in high demand by community are only worked on for a short time by a small team, and then forgotten by WMF. "sad." * Naming is not a local expertise. Someone in Russia would know the Russian name for New York better than someone who actually lives in New York, but doesn't speak the language. That said, I would think at least some languages have a relatively well defined algorithm to transliterate foreign names? And only if auto-transliteration fails, or if there is an alternative well established spelling, it should be entered into OSM/WD. Just thinking out loud here. * I really hope this conversation can be productive, and oriented towards solving issues, and not an unproductive and emotional blame game. I have helped with the maps translation project, and while I can only speak about the engineers I spoke with, everyone there made the best efforts to bring first truly multilingual maps to the world. Of course not all the names data is there, and there are multiple ways to fix that. So rather than throwing 💩 at each other, I do hope some volunteers would step up to 1) guide WP community on improving name situation, and best approaches according to OSM rules, 2) help with the development effort since WMF is not interested, 3) help organize it all. I could try to help with (2), send me an email if interested.
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 1:24 PM Mateusz Konieczny <matkoni...@tutanota.com> wrote: > > 29. Jun 2018 13:18 by a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: > > On 29 June 2018 at 11:38, Max <abonneme...@revolwear.com> wrote: > > "Add the missing names to OSM in your language." > > That is inflating the OSM database with something that Wikidata has solved > already in a much better way. Why would someone from wikimedia recommend to > create a less mentainable version of their database? > > > Because the OSM community refuses to allow the import of data from > Wikidata. > > > Because WIkidata data is license-incompatible with OSM. > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >
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