On 12/7/19 02:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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On 6. Dec 2019, at 15:16, pangoSE <pang...@riseup.net> wrote:
I believe that we should deprecate all wikipedia links as they are
just potentially obsolete cruft that can be inferred from the
wikidata item. (I am also an editor of Wikidata)
If you really want the Wikipedia link displayed fix your editor to
fetch the local wikipedia link (if any) for your local language in
addition to the label and description.
I know that people are assuming that a wikipedia article in language x
has approximately the same content as another one in language y that
is linked to it, but this is not the case. There are often significant
differences, even if many articles are translations from the English
version. Wikidata is another thing. It all started with one wikidata
object for every article, but as the project grows and people edit it
(yes, not only bots are editing wikidata), their objects get split and
refined (subgroups of objects). A common example are settlements. In
wikipedia, political and socio-geographic entities are often covered
in the same article (or they are combined in one language and split in
another). In wikidata (and even more in OpenStreetMap), these tend to
get split over several objects. Wikipedia tends to aggregate several
aspects of a thing into one article, wikidata tends to separating the
concepts.
If someone adds a wikipedia link for something, you can see by the
language which specific article she has read and linked (confirmed).
It does not automatically imply that all wikipedia articles in other
languages would also fit for the OpenStreetMap object that has gotten
the tag. Even less for wikidata (which usually only deals with part of
an article, which is not necessarily the one which fits for the object).
Just have a look, it happens all the time, another typical case for
issues are buildings and things inside the buildings (museums,
governments, whatever). Maybe it is less of an issue with natural
places (mountains, seas, etc), but in the cultural world it is almost
ubiquitous.
Cheers Martin
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Good morning Martin,
Here is, for example, the article for the Louvre museum in Englsh:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louvre . On the left part of this page
there is the link "Wikidata item", which leads to this wikidata page:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19675
On the wikidata page there are links to the Wikipedia articles of this
museum in dozens of languages. This particular museum is of an interest
to the large number of people from many countries for numerous reasons
(tourists, researches, students, etc.). I assume that the absolute
majority of these people will not read the article in English or in
French, but rather in their mother tongue.
Usually any significant Wikipedia article has got its respective
wikidata item. If it does not have it, it could be created easily. So
instead of adding a Wikipedia article of a museum in a specific
language, the wikida item with the links to this articles in all
available languages could be added. Then in a map editor or on a map web
page, a visitor could be shown the link to the article in her/his
language of choice immediately. So that the visitor could go to the
Wikipedia article directly. But not first to the Wikipedia article in a
foreign language and then search manually for the link to the article in
his mother tongue on the HTML page.
Or even better, he could be presented with a drop-down list of this
Wikipedia article in all available language versions with the article in
his language of choice preselected. The Wikidata is the structured
database, so its contents can be accesses in a complex programmatic
manner. While the Wikipedia article is an HTML page, so basically it is
the final destination for a program. Only human can read it and go
father from it manually.
Best regards,
Oleksiy
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