Eclipse took osgi bundles and added contributions to make Eclipse plugins. Nothing says that one can't take osgi bundles and add HM configurations and the services cool threaded services models there too.
osgi has a service model already, very simple one it would be possible to add HMiness 'cuz ogsi does not mandate anywhere how those services are implemented or configured. Plus osgi has all the lifecycle, hot redeploy, provision over the wire stuff that HM curently lacks. The only thing that make osgi bundles challenging in the classloader model. Geoff. On 4/26/06, James Carman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, them's fightin' words. You mean it's called HiveMind?!?! :-) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Longman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:03 PM > To: Tapestry development > Subject: Re: Tapestry 5 progress > > it's called osgi > > G > > On 4/26/06, Howard Lewis Ship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hm. Wouldn't it be neat if Tapestry had a runtime environment that > > promoted the use of plugins to extend the available features. Sort of > > a hive of plugins working together, each minding its own portion of > > the application ... :-) > > > > On 4/26/06, Brian K. Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > lol - Example: I use Eclipse. It's not a "source code editor / syntax > > > highlighter / code completer", it's a framework that has the JDT - THAT > > > does those functions. It also doesn't integrate with SVN. Subclipse does > > > that. So I don't believe Tapestry should do what I'd like - I think > > > there should be a framework that uses Tapestry for what Tapestry does, > > > but also has more 'plugins'. If you've ever used Vignette's StoryServer > > > (or others out there), it's the same concept. > > > > > > "do it whenever, I don't care"... yeah - never heard that before. :-D > > > > > > Geoff Longman wrote: > > > > On 4/26/06, Brian K. Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You know... I think (as much as I'd like to see this just 'built in') > > > > this is a lot like saying "I'd like my source code editor/syntax > > > > highlighter/code completer to have source code integration" - it > doesn't > > > > belong. What you need is an "Eclipse/Idea/Pick your IDE" that > integrates > > > > the two. > > > > > > > >> The above paragraph is in some English-like language that look > > > >> *exactly* like English but runs through my brain without computing > > > >> into anything at all ;-) > > > > > > > >> Probably the similar to the language my wife uses to mean "do it > > > >> yesterday or I will make your life a living hell" when she says "do > it > > > >> whenever, I don't care." > > > > > > > >> What does "I'd like my source code editor/syntax > > > >> highlighter/code completer to have source code integration" mean? > > > > > > > >> Geoff > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm... Yeah... That would be an interesting endeavor. Time to work > out > > > > something like this... Take that IDE to application-land. > > > > > > > > James Carman wrote: > > > >>>> It might be worth looking into OSCache for this. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>> From: Brian K. Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:20 AM > > > >>>> To: Tapestry development > > > >>>> Subject: Re: Tapestry 5 progress > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Works for me. Plenty of growing room for 4 left anyway, right > Jesse? ;-) > > > >>>> I'm just hoping to get documentation (*ugh*) and tooling (Spindle) > up to > > > >>>> speed before 5 hits. (feed the masses and all that :-)) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> In speaking of performance... (I'm off in dream land here, I > know... but > > > >>>> I like it there sometimes) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Many moons ago, there was talk of a 'tool' /'utility' that would > > > >>>> basically spider a Tapestry app and get all the generated HTML > resulting > > > >>>> in basically a statically generated site. This helps tremendously > when > > > >>>> you're running behind a web server that's tuned to serve static > content > > > >>>> - it's what they do and they do it pretty well with no overhead > past > > > >>>> itself (meaning no java, no db, etc). I'd like to see if we can't > add > > > >>>> some sort of 'cache' attribute to the HTML (somewhere) that would > allow > > > >>>> Tapestry to perform this type of "wait, it says to cache it - i've > > > >>>> already generated it, I'll just grab that and use it" processing. > This > > > >>>> would also allow Tapestry to build on first access but write out > the > > > >>>> generated HTML so the next time a request comes in for it, the web > > > >>>> server would find it first (outside the mapping for Tapestry). > Granted > > > >>>> this would only work for pages that were "cache=true" and had no > dynamic > > > >>>> components inside it, but for a lot of sites that's enough > (especially > > > >>>> outside a 'user' area). If there's a static form, submitting it > would > > > >>>> pass back to Tapestry for processing. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I'd see this as only improving performance if you run Tapestry > behind > > > >>>> something like Apache. Granted, you'd get a lot of "that's not fair > - > > > >>>> you're not comparing our framework to yours if you don't hit your > > > >>>> framework more than once when we have to hit ours every time" > > > >>>> comments... but hey ;-) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> My .02 > > > >>>> Brian > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > > > >>>>>> The basic AOP infrastructure is coming along. I expect the rest > to > > > >>>>>> ramp up pretty quickly once I get that in place, but we're still > > > >>>>>> talking months. Maybe a useable beta by year's end. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I think I predicted a big performance boost for Tapestry 4 apps > vs. > > > >>>>>> equivalent Tapestry 3 apps. I believe the difference between 4 > and 5 > > > >>>>>> will be greater. In fact, I expect OGNL support to be an add on, > and > > > >>>>>> the built-in code will be an improved version of tapestry-prop > (from > > > >>>>>> Tapestry @ JavaForge). I want Tapestry to be extremely high > > > >>>>>> performance, as one of its differentiators from JSF and Rails. > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) > > > > > > iD8DBQFET7DVaCoPKRow/gARAmKhAJ9nMufXCvQOfoKYMD1z0rLydvLlSwCfdLF1 > > > 2kVbZyicMJD9mG/fxIZDMoQ= > > > =ZDag > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Howard M. 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