A couple of thoughts...
As to teaching and workshops, a successful teacher needs to have
good people skills . Teaching is, in my opinion, an extension of the
entertainment biz. I think that in reality, teaching can be as much
about counseling, listening and entertaining as it is about real
education. Some musicians are good at it and others are not so good.
I think really good teaching is as much about getting someone
interested and inspired enough to learn on their own as it is to show
off a particular tune or lick. Sometimes a musician can do that at a
workshop just by hanging around and being a good person. That is what
people will remember over the long term...who was nice and who was
not. Life is tough being a full time musician. Teaching can be a
lucrative sideline to performance so some might be drawn into it due
to the pure economic necessity rather than having a call to teach.
Hopefully students have the good fortune to cross paths with musicians
who want to teach. In the end, we all have the power to vote with our
wallets.
That being said, I'm of the opinion that you can't teach real
bluegrass. While there are lots of books, DVDs lessons, workshops they
don't turn out skilled bluegrass musicians. If you really want to do
it, no workshop will help. Only time and hard work, listening,
practice etc will get you there. Then if you start to be able to make
that bluegrass noise, you can get a job with a real band or have the
skills to get in with the real players. That is where the next level
of education happens. At that point, it is more about honing your
craft. If you have to ask how to do it, you don't know it and probably
won't get it.
On Oct 6, 9:51 am, Bill Burnette <bburne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmmm, I stated "based on my one experience, I'm not a fan..." I think that
> indicates that what is to follow is an opinion based on a first impression
> from what I observed. At least that was my intent.
>
> Bill
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:25 AM, David Long <bigevemu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Bill,
> > You have to admit, your comment was more of an assertion rather than an
> > observation. By all means, deny yourself David's music. It just leaves an
> > extra seat for those of us who can see beyond these sorts of things.
>
> > Miles
>
> > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Bill Burnette <bburne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> The experience I shared was admittedly a first impression. If I got to
> >> know David like you do Mike, my opinion might be changed. My comments were
> >> made on the heels of the thread about various people's experiences with
> >> Ricky Skaggs, and my one and only experience with David was much the same
> >> as
> >> many of those relayed in that thread. It was not an interpretation of an
> >> answer to one question, it was an observation of the general demeanor of
> >> one
> >> person in contrast to several other people in the same arena. David may be
> >> the greatest person on the planet once you get to know him- but on that
> >> particular day, I did not come away with that impression. And yes, were we
> >> in a one on one or small group situation, and David, or anyone else,
> >> reacted
> >> to me or someone else in the group in that manner, I would inquire as to
> >> who
> >> crapped in their cornflakes that morning. I certainly don't think that I
> >> have held anyone up to ridicule- I simply relayed a personal experience.
> >> You
> >> and others have different experiences- I'm genuinely glad to hear that.
> >> Maybe we'll meet someday and become big buddies.
>
> >> Bill
>
> >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:04 AM, mistertaterbug
> >> <taterbugmu...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>> Agreed. But without knowing what was going on with everyone there,
> >>> energy levels, mental state, blah, blah, blah, including David Grier,
> >>> it would be impossible to make a fair call. Could be that your
> >>> interpretation of his answer was not entirely accurate, maybe so. But
> >>> I'm sure you wouldn't be willing to say anything here that you
> >>> wouldn't be willing to say to David, right? Some people are an
> >>> acquired taste. Monroe was for me. Some people have to taken with a
> >>> grain of salt. Some are blunt and to the point. I think that you might
> >>> spend some time researching the subject. For example, if I took your
> >>> word at face value, then I would not know the other side of David
> >>> Grier, the side you apparently have not seen. By the same token, I'd
> >>> have to assume that you yourself are actually an "expert" in computer
> >>> networking without doing any research on my own to find out if that is
> >>> the case.
>
> >>> You are certainly free to like/dislike whomever you wish. David is
> >>> known for being straight to the point. He is also known to be one of
> >>> the most unique and talented musicians on the planet. If you find him
> >>> to be intolerable, that's your business. Apparently you are in the
> >>> minority considering the numbers that come to hear him do what he
> >>> does. He is understood by all the people you named on the panel and he
> >>> commands their respect. I have known Grier for a long time and I
> >>> suggest to you that you might look deeper at the individual you
> >>> ridicule. Or not, it's not up to me to make excuses for the man.
>
> >>> Glad to hear your team of techs is polite. I run into all sorts of
> >>> people that don't give a damn about their jobs or customer relations,
> >>> nor do they know much about what they're selling.
>
> >>> Bibs
>
> >>> On Oct 6, 6:34 am, Bill Burnette <bburne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > Mike,
> >>> > I'm sure David is a very bright individual. He's also very talented and
> >>> > accomplished. I don't see how that excuses the behavior that I
> >>> witnessed.
> >>> > People who attend workshops are seeking to gain some insight or learn
> >>> > something from the people on the panel. By agreeing to participate in
> >>> the
> >>> > panel, one might think those folks are willing to impart something that
> >>> > could possibly be of help to the people attending, so I can't
> >>> understand
> >>> > acting like the questions that are asked of them are stupid or an
> >>> > imposition. I am an expert in computers and networking and manage a
> >>> team of
> >>> > techs who support people who are not experts in those areas. If any of
> >>> us
> >>> > acted like people were stupid for seeking help with their computer
> >>> problems,
> >>> > we would be fired- and we would deserve to be. We might think some of
> >>> their
> >>> > questions are stupid- but we don't let it show. That would just be rude
> >>> and
> >>> > inappropriate.
>
> >>> > Bill
>
> >>> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM, mistertaterbug <
> >>> taterbugmu...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>> > > Bill,
> >>> > > You might do a little thinking on the kinds of questions that are
> >>> > > asked in workshops and to whom they're asked. The persons you have
> >>> > > named all have spent years learning how to do what they do. Most of
> >>> > > the folks you named don't do a lot of workshops because they don't
> >>> > > have to. Some to them need the extra income. Some enjoy them, some
> >>> > > don't. Workshops are really variable depending on skills levels
> >>> > > present, personalities, group size, whether the participants know
> >>> each
> >>> > > other or not, you name it.
>
> >>> > > David Grier is a very bright individual who has a low tolerance for
> >>> > > folks who seek the answers without putting in the time and work he
> >>> > > did. I have no idea what the question was, nor do I need to know. But
> >>> > > I do know David to be ultimately fair and accommodating with people
> >>> > > who are making an effort to be responsible for their own progress
> >>> > > instead of looking for shortcuts to flash and dash.
>
> >>> > > Tbugs
>
> >>> > > On Oct 1, 12:46 pm, Bill Burnette <bburne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > > > I have to say based on my one experience, I'm not a fan of David
> >>> Grier
> >>> > > the
> >>> > > > man. I attended a workshop at IBMA a couple of years ago and he
> >>> acted
> >>> > > like
> >>> > > > it was the last place he wanted to be. Whenever someone asked him a
> >>> > > > question, he acted like it was the stupidest question he'd ever
> >>> heard.
> >>> > > Other
> >>> > > > members of the panel, Bryan Sutton, Robert Bolin and Tim May on the
> >>> other
> >>> > > > hand, were all very gracious and patient with the audience. Skip
> >>> > > > Cherryholmes was also on the panel and by his own admission was not
> >>> in
> >>> > > the
> >>> > > > same league as a picker with the others, and several times during
> >>> his
> >>> > > solos
> >>> > > > David would cut him a look and roll his eyes. Based on that
> >>> experience I
> >>> > > > wouldn't pay $1 to see or hear him play. I also attended the
> >>> mandolin
> >>> > > > workshop and found Adam Steffey, Emory Lester, Danny Roberts and
> >>> Sierra
> >>> > > Hull
> >>> > > > to be very gracious and accessible as well, so David really stood
> >>> out in
> >>> > > > contrast.
>
> >>> > > > Bill in Nashville
>
> >>> > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:25 PM, malagrass <
> >>> malayt...@bellsouth.net>
> >>> > > wrote:
>
> >>> > > > > Man, you gotta love these guy's. David's non PC explanation of
> >>> > > > > "listening" and how how many writers of tab are not good
> >>> musicians
> >>> > > > > "thats why they're writing books"
>
> >>> > > > > How right you are...............great job to both these guys.
> >>> Both are
> >>> > > > > my favorite and heavily listened too.
>
> >>> > > > > JM
>
> >>> > > > > On Sep 29, 4:05 pm, Robin Gravina <robin.grav...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > > > > > It was fun to hear and would have liked to hear more talking
> >>> from the
> >>> > > > > > twosome. Are we expecting an onslaught of cd's from the Tater?
> >>> If so,
> >>> > > > > hear
> >>> > > > > > hear. The world surely and sorely needs it.
>
> >>> > > > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Jonas Mattebo <
> >>> > > jonas.matt...@gmail.com
> >>> > > > > >wrote:
>
> >>> > > > > > > Thanks for this! I enjoyed the interview, crappy phone line
> >>> and
> >>> > > all...
> >>> > > > > > > I just wish I could see a show! Both David and Mike are
> >>> favourites
> >>> > > of
> >>> > > > > > > mine.
>
> >>> > > > > > > /Jonas
>
> >>> > > > > > > 29 sep 2009 kl. 18.17 skrev Dasspunk:
>
> >>> > > > > > > > Fred I'm surprised y'all don't have more interest in this
> >>> sort of
> >>> > > > > > > > thing up your way. On the other hand, your "professional"
> >>> > > football
> >>> > > > > > > > team wears purple. Purple!
>
> >>> > > > > > > > Here's the interview if folks missed it... Compton and
> >>> Grier live
> >>> > > > > from
> >>> > > > > > > > the Road Master!
>
> >>> > > > > > > >http://titsh.com/compton.grier.interview.mp3
>
> >>> > > > > > > > B
>
> >>> > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 10:48 am, Fred <fkel...@scicable.net> wrote:
> >>> > > > > > > >> Good time! Wish our local radio heads were a tad more
> >>> > > interested in
> >>> > > > > > > >> doing this. If any of you Twin Cities folks want to help
> >>> out,
> >>> > > give
> >>> > > > > a
> >>> > > > > > > >> call to KFAI (our best shot at a roots interview)--Pam
> >>> Kolapailo
> >>> > > or
> >>> > > > > > > >> Dakota Dave Hull at 612-341-3144, their main number.
>
> >>> > > > > > > >> We've been sending them messages with no response as yet
> >>> so
> >>> > > maybe if
> >>> > > > > > > >> listeners let them know they'd like to hear these guys on
> >>> the
> >>> > > radio
> >>> > > > > > > >> we
> >>> > > > > > > >> can get it done. They're in their pledge drive this week
> >>> too so
> >>> > > > > > > >> something like this would sure seem to help them as well
> >>> as push
> >>> > > the
>
> ...
>
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