Very good observations/comments, Tud. Hit it on the head, did you? Taterbug
On Oct 6, 10:45 am, Tud Jones <tudjo...@gmail.com> wrote: > A couple of thoughts... > > As to teaching and workshops, a successful teacher needs to have > good people skills . Teaching is, in my opinion, an extension of the > entertainment biz. I think that in reality, teaching can be as much > about counseling, listening and entertaining as it is about real > education. Some musicians are good at it and others are not so good. > I think really good teaching is as much about getting someone > interested and inspired enough to learn on their own as it is to show > off a particular tune or lick. Sometimes a musician can do that at a > workshop just by hanging around and being a good person. That is what > people will remember over the long term...who was nice and who was > not. Life is tough being a full time musician. Teaching can be a > lucrative sideline to performance so some might be drawn into it due > to the pure economic necessity rather than having a call to teach. > Hopefully students have the good fortune to cross paths with musicians > who want to teach. In the end, we all have the power to vote with our > wallets. > That being said, I'm of the opinion that you can't teach real > bluegrass. While there are lots of books, DVDs lessons, workshops they > don't turn out skilled bluegrass musicians. If you really want to do > it, no workshop will help. Only time and hard work, listening, > practice etc will get you there. Then if you start to be able to make > that bluegrass noise, you can get a job with a real band or have the > skills to get in with the real players. That is where the next level > of education happens. At that point, it is more about honing your > craft. If you have to ask how to do it, you don't know it and probably > won't get it. > > On Oct 6, 9:51 am, Bill Burnette <bburne...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hmmm, I stated "based on my one experience, I'm not a fan..." I think that > > indicates that what is to follow is an opinion based on a first impression > > from what I observed. At least that was my intent. > > > Bill > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:25 AM, David Long <bigevemu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Bill, > > > You have to admit, your comment was more of an assertion rather than an > > > observation. By all means, deny yourself David's music. It just leaves > > > an > > > extra seat for those of us who can see beyond these sorts of things. > > > > Miles > > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Bill Burnette <bburne...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> The experience I shared was admittedly a first impression. If I got to > > >> know David like you do Mike, my opinion might be changed. My comments > > >> were > > >> made on the heels of the thread about various people's experiences with > > >> Ricky Skaggs, and my one and only experience with David was much the > > >> same as > > >> many of those relayed in that thread. It was not an interpretation of an > > >> answer to one question, it was an observation of the general demeanor of > > >> one > > >> person in contrast to several other people in the same arena. David may > > >> be > > >> the greatest person on the planet once you get to know him- but on that > > >> particular day, I did not come away with that impression. And yes, were > > >> we > > >> in a one on one or small group situation, and David, or anyone else, > > >> reacted > > >> to me or someone else in the group in that manner, I would inquire as to > > >> who > > >> crapped in their cornflakes that morning. I certainly don't think that I > > >> have held anyone up to ridicule- I simply relayed a personal experience. > > >> You > > >> and others have different experiences- I'm genuinely glad to hear that. > > >> Maybe we'll meet someday and become big buddies. > > > >> Bill > > > >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:04 AM, mistertaterbug > > >> <taterbugmu...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > >>> Agreed. But without knowing what was going on with everyone there, > > >>> energy levels, mental state, blah, blah, blah, including David Grier, > > >>> it would be impossible to make a fair call. Could be that your > > >>> interpretation of his answer was not entirely accurate, maybe so. But > > >>> I'm sure you wouldn't be willing to say anything here that you > > >>> wouldn't be willing to say to David, right? Some people are an > > >>> acquired taste. Monroe was for me. Some people have to taken with a > > >>> grain of salt. Some are blunt and to the point. I think that you might > > >>> spend some time researching the subject. For example, if I took your > > >>> word at face value, then I would not know the other side of David > > >>> Grier, the side you apparently have not seen. By the same token, I'd > > >>> have to assume that you yourself are actually an "expert" in computer > > >>> networking without doing any research on my own to find out if that is > > >>> the case. > > > >>> You are certainly free to like/dislike whomever you wish. David is > > >>> known for being straight to the point. He is also known to be one of > > >>> the most unique and talented musicians on the planet. If you find him > > >>> to be intolerable, that's your business. Apparently you are in the > > >>> minority considering the numbers that come to hear him do what he > > >>> does. He is understood by all the people you named on the panel and he > > >>> commands their respect. I have known Grier for a long time and I > > >>> suggest to you that you might look deeper at the individual you > > >>> ridicule. Or not, it's not up to me to make excuses for the man. > > > >>> Glad to hear your team of techs is polite. I run into all sorts of > > >>> people that don't give a damn about their jobs or customer relations, > > >>> nor do they know much about what they're selling. > > > >>> Bibs > > > >>> On Oct 6, 6:34 am, Bill Burnette <bburne...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> > Mike, > > >>> > I'm sure David is a very bright individual. He's also very talented > > >>> > and > > >>> > accomplished. I don't see how that excuses the behavior that I > > >>> witnessed. > > >>> > People who attend workshops are seeking to gain some insight or learn > > >>> > something from the people on the panel. By agreeing to participate in > > >>> the > > >>> > panel, one might think those folks are willing to impart something > > >>> > that > > >>> > could possibly be of help to the people attending, so I can't > > >>> understand > > >>> > acting like the questions that are asked of them are stupid or an > > >>> > imposition. I am an expert in computers and networking and manage a > > >>> team of > > >>> > techs who support people who are not experts in those areas. If any of > > >>> us > > >>> > acted like people were stupid for seeking help with their computer > > >>> problems, > > >>> > we would be fired- and we would deserve to be. We might think some of > > >>> their > > >>> > questions are stupid- but we don't let it show. That would just be > > >>> > rude > > >>> and > > >>> > inappropriate. > > > >>> > Bill > > > >>> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM, mistertaterbug < > > >>> taterbugmu...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > >>> > > Bill, > > >>> > > You might do a little thinking on the kinds of questions that are > > >>> > > asked in workshops and to whom they're asked. The persons you have > > >>> > > named all have spent years learning how to do what they do. Most of > > >>> > > the folks you named don't do a lot of workshops because they don't > > >>> > > have to. Some to them need the extra income. Some enjoy them, some > > >>> > > don't. Workshops are really variable depending on skills levels > > >>> > > present, personalities, group size, whether the participants know > > >>> each > > >>> > > other or not, you name it. > > > >>> > > David Grier is a very bright individual who has a low tolerance for > > >>> > > folks who seek the answers without putting in the time and work he > > >>> > > did. I have no idea what the question was, nor do I need to know. > > >>> > > But > > >>> > > I do know David to be ultimately fair and accommodating with people > > >>> > > who are making an effort to be responsible for their own progress > > >>> > > instead of looking for shortcuts to flash and dash. > > > >>> > > Tbugs > > > >>> > > On Oct 1, 12:46 pm, Bill Burnette <bburne...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> > > > I have to say based on my one experience, I'm not a fan of David > > >>> Grier > > >>> > > the > > >>> > > > man. I attended a workshop at IBMA a couple of years ago and he > > >>> acted > > >>> > > like > > >>> > > > it was the last place he wanted to be. Whenever someone asked him > > >>> > > > a > > >>> > > > question, he acted like it was the stupidest question he'd ever > > >>> heard. > > >>> > > Other > > >>> > > > members of the panel, Bryan Sutton, Robert Bolin and Tim May on > > >>> > > > the > > >>> other > > >>> > > > hand, were all very gracious and patient with the audience. Skip > > >>> > > > Cherryholmes was also on the panel and by his own admission was > > >>> > > > not > > >>> in > > >>> > > the > > >>> > > > same league as a picker with the others, and several times during > > >>> his > > >>> > > solos > > >>> > > > David would cut him a look and roll his eyes. Based on that > > >>> experience I > > >>> > > > wouldn't pay $1 to see or hear him play. I also attended the > > >>> mandolin > > >>> > > > workshop and found Adam Steffey, Emory Lester, Danny Roberts and > > >>> Sierra > > >>> > > Hull > > >>> > > > to be very gracious and accessible as well, so David really stood > > >>> out in > > >>> > > > contrast. > > > >>> > > > Bill in Nashville > > > >>> > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:25 PM, malagrass < > > >>> malayt...@bellsouth.net> > > >>> > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > > Man, you gotta love these guy's. David's non PC explanation of > > >>> > > > > "listening" and how how many writers of tab are not good > > >>> musicians > > >>> > > > > "thats why they're writing books" > > > >>> > > > > How right you are...............great job to both these guys. > > >>> Both are > > >>> > > > > my favorite and heavily listened too. > > > >>> > > > > JM > > > >>> > > > > On Sep 29, 4:05 pm, Robin Gravina <robin.grav...@gmail.com> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > > > > It was fun to hear and would have liked to hear more talking > > >>> from the > > >>> > > > > > twosome. Are we expecting an > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Taterbugmando" group. 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