anyone who has ever picked up an instrument is a music thief unless you were
the first to make noise!!!! just a thought....
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> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:40:56 -0700
> Subject: Re: Mike and David Radio Interview
> From: lj...@intas.net.au
> To: taterbugmando@googlegroups.com
>
>
> The very painful truth is one does not know what they do not
> know...sometimes.
> linda
>
> On Oct 7, 12:21 pm, mistertaterbug <taterbugmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There is a lot of ground being covered here that explains a lot of
> > things WAY better than I could explain it. I am happy to see people
> > able to express so many aspects of this topic, because it all hits
> > home. I am sure that it comes as no surprise that I have been less
> > than cordial on occasion, and I am not proud of being short in my
> > answers. But at least some of the reasons have been addressed here.
> > Thanks for being able to see so much and speak out.
> >
> > At the Mon Camp this year Jody Stecher suggested to one class that
> > they were "second-rate music thieves". He said he had been concerned
> > about this comment because there were a number of folks who looked
> > alarmed. He also told another class (one I taught with him) very
> > adamantly to not be boring musicians. Same subject, seems to me. Now,
> > at first glance, it may appear that Jody was being less than gracious,
> > but he told me that he had just gotten through reading a book about
> > the history of music or how music was ruined or some such thing. He
> > said that he was sure there were at least 50 copies of it sold
> > nationwide and that he just happened to be one of the few who bought
> > the book. But his comment about being second-rate music thieves was
> > based on something he read in the book, which was the suggestion that
> > we should all be first-rate music thieves instead. So, not having read
> > the book, a number of the people in his class misunderstood not only
> > the remark, but also his intent, which actually was to try and inspire
> > the students to do better.
> >
> > On an earlier note, I have a DVD here of Jascha Heifetz doing a master
> > class with a few budding violinists. It would truly be hard to find
> > someone who seemed more annoyed and bored by the whole process. Though
> > I will have to say, it's funny to watch.
> > Taterbug
> >
> > On Oct 6, 8:00 pm, mistertaterbug <taterbugmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Very good observations/comments, Tud. Hit it on the head, did you?
> > > Taterbug
> >
> > > On Oct 6, 10:45 am, Tud Jones <tudjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > A couple of thoughts...
> >
> > > > As to teaching and workshops, a successful teacher needs to have
> > > > good people skills . Teaching is, in my opinion, an extension of the
> > > > entertainment biz. I think that in reality, teaching can be as much
> > > > about counseling, listening and entertaining as it is about real
> > > > education. Some musicians are good at it and others are not so good.
> > > > I think really good teaching is as much about getting someone
> > > > interested and inspired enough to learn on their own as it is to show
> > > > off a particular tune or lick. Sometimes a musician can do that at a
> > > > workshop just by hanging around and being a good person. That is what
> > > > people will remember over the long term...who was nice and who was
> > > > not. Life is tough being a full time musician. Teaching can be a
> > > > lucrative sideline to performance so some might be drawn into it due
> > > > to the pure economic necessity rather than having a call to teach.
> > > > Hopefully students have the good fortune to cross paths with musicians
> > > > who want to teach. In the end, we all have the power to vote with our
> > > > wallets.
> > > > That being said, I'm of the opinion that you can't teach real
> > > > bluegrass. While there are lots of books, DVDs lessons, workshops they
> > > > don't turn out skilled bluegrass musicians. If you really want to do
> > > > it, no workshop will help. Only time and hard work, listening,
> > > > practice etc will get you there. Then if you start to be able to make
> > > > that bluegrass noise, you can get a job with a real band or have the
> > > > skills to get in with the real players. That is where the next level
> > > > of education happens. At that point, it is more about honing your
> > > > craft. If you have to ask how to do it, you don't know it and probably
> > > > won't get it.
> >
> > > > On Oct 6, 9:51 am, Bill Burnette <bburne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Hmmm, I stated "based on my one experience, I'm not a fan..." I think
> > > > > that
> > > > > indicates that what is to follow is an opinion based on a first
> > > > > impression
> > > > > from what I observed. At least that was my intent.
> >
> > > > > Bill
> >
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:25 AM, David Long <bigevemu...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > > You have to admit, your comment was more of an assertion rather
> > > > > > than an
> > > > > > observation. By all means, deny yourself David's music. It just
> > > > > > leaves an
> > > > > > extra seat for those of us who can see beyond these sorts of things.
> >
> > > > > > Miles
> >
> > > > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Bill Burnette <bburne...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> The experience I shared was admittedly a first impression. If I
> > > > > >> got to
> > > > > >> know David like you do Mike, my opinion might be changed. My
> > > > > >> comments were
> > > > > >> made on the heels of the thread about various people's experiences
> > > > > >> with
> > > > > >> Ricky Skaggs, and my one and only experience with David was much
> > > > > >> the same as
> > > > > >> many of those relayed in that thread. It was not an interpretation
> > > > > >> of an
> > > > > >> answer to one question, it was an observation of the general
> > > > > >> demeanor of one
> > > > > >> person in contrast to several other people in the same arena.
> > > > > >> David may be
> > > > > >> the greatest person on the planet once you get to know him- but on
> > > > > >> that
> > > > > >> particular day, I did not come away with that impression. And yes,
> > > > > >> were we
> > > > > >> in a one on one or small group situation, and David, or anyone
> > > > > >> else, reacted
> > > > > >> to me or someone else in the group in that manner, I would inquire
> > > > > >> as to who
> > > > > >> crapped in their cornflakes that morning. I certainly don't think
> > > > > >> that I
> > > > > >> have held anyone up to ridicule- I simply relayed a personal
> > > > > >> experience. You
> > > > > >> and others have different experiences- I'm genuinely glad to hear
> > > > > >> that.
> > > > > >> Maybe we'll meet someday and become big buddies.
> >
> > > > > >> Bill
> >
> > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:04 AM, mistertaterbug
> > > > > >> <taterbugmu...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>> Agreed. But without knowing what was going on with everyone there,
> > > > > >>> energy levels, mental state, blah, blah, blah, including David
> > > > > >>> Grier,
> > > > > >>> it would be impossible to make a fair call. Could be that your
> > > > > >>> interpretation of his answer was not entirely accurate, maybe so.
> > > > > >>> But
> > > > > >>> I'm sure you wouldn't be willing to say anything here that you
> > > > > >>> wouldn't be willing to say to David, right? Some people are an
> > > > > >>> acquired taste. Monroe was for me. Some people have to taken with
> > > > > >>> a
> > > > > >>> grain of salt. Some are blunt and to the point. I think that you
> > > > > >>> might
> > > > > >>> spend some time researching the subject. For example, if I took
> > > > > >>> your
> > > > > >>> word at face value, then I would not know the other side of David
> > > > > >>> Grier, the side you apparently have not seen. By the same token,
> > > > > >>> I'd
> > > > > >>> have to assume that you yourself are actually an "expert" in
> > > > > >>> computer
> > > > > >>> networking without doing any research on my own to find out if
> > > > > >>> that is
> > > > > >>> the case.
> >
> > > > > >>> You are certainly free to like/dislike whomever you wish. David is
> > > > > >>> known for being straight to the point. He is also known to be one
> > > > > >>> of
> > > > > >>> the most unique and talented musicians on the planet. If you find
> > > > > >>> him
> > > > > >>> to be intolerable, that's your business. Apparently you are in the
> > > > > >>> minority considering the numbers that come to hear him do what he
> > > > > >>> does. He is understood by all the people you named on the panel
> > > > > >>> and he
> > > > > >>> commands their respect. I have known Grier for a long time and I
> > > > > >>> suggest to you that you might look deeper at the individual you
> > > > > >>> ridicule. Or not, it's not up to me to make excuses for the man.
> >
> > > > > >>> Glad to hear your team of techs is polite. I run into all sorts of
> > > > > >>> people that don't give a damn about their jobs or customer
> > > > > >>> relations,
> > > > > >>> nor do they know much about what they're selling.
> >
> > > > > >>> Bibs
> >
> > > > > >>> On Oct 6, 6:34 am, Bill Burnette <bburne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>> > Mike,
> > > > > >>> > I'm sure David is a very bright individual. He's also very
> > > > > >>> > talented and
> > > > > >>> > accomplished. I don't see how that excuses the behavior that I
> > > > > >>> witnessed.
> > > > > >>> > People who attend workshops are seeking to gain some insight or
> > > > > >>> > learn
> > > > > >>> > something from the people on the panel. By agreeing to
> > > > > >>> > participate in
> > > > > >>> the
> > > > > >>> > panel, one might think those folks are willing to impart
> > > > > >>> > something that
> > > > > >>> > could possibly be of help to the people attending, so I can't
> > > > > >>> understand
> > > > > >>> > acting like the questions that are asked of them are stupid or
> > > > > >>> > an
> > > > > >>> > imposition. I am an expert in computers and networking and
> > > > > >>> > manage a
> > > > > >>> team of
> > > > > >>> > techs who support people who are not experts in those areas. If
> > > > > >>> > any of
> > > > > >>> us
> > > > > >>> > acted like people were stupid for seeking help with their
> > > > > >>> > computer
> > > > > >>> problems,
> > > > > >>> > we would be fired- and we would deserve to be. We might think
> > > > > >>> > some of
> > > > > >>> their
> > > > > >>> > questions are stupid- but we don't let it show. That would just
> > > > > >>> > be rude
> > > > > >>> and
> > > > > >>> > inappropriate.
> >
> > > > > >>> > Bill
> >
> > > > > >>> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:53 PM, mistertaterbug <
> > > > > >>> taterbugmu...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>> > > Bill,
> > > > > >>> > > You might do a little thinking on the kinds of questions that
> > > > > >>> > > are
> > > > > >>> > > asked in workshops and to whom they're asked. The persons you
> > > > > >>> > > have
> > > > > >>> > > named all have spent years learning how to do what they do.
> > > > > >>> > > Most of
> > > > > >>> > > the folks you named don't do a lot of workshops because they
> > > > > >>> > > don't
> > > > > >>> > > have to. Some to them need the extra income. Some enjoy them,
> > > > > >>> > > some
> > > > > >>> > > don't. Workshops are really variable depending on skills
> > > > > >>> > > levels
> > > > > >>> > > present, personalities, group size, whether the participants
> > > > > >>> > > know
> > > > > >>> each
> > > > > >>> > > other or not, you name it.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > read more ยป
> >
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