On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 1:23:46 PM, Kevin Menard wrote: > I'd urge you to look at the amount of list traffic.
I see the list traffic. Lots of it is the same few people repeating the same complaints over and over. And threads like this with miles of handwringing and telling about how if they were in charge, things would sure be different around here. Since I switched to IMAP on 6/6, and started new batch of folders, I see 2,347 messages on this list, and 694 on TBUDL. Since I joined the Mulberry list on 6/10, they have 190 posts. There was more flaming there, people here are more polite, Cyrus Daboo posts a lot so one knows he is paying attention, and that probably helps there. But I'm rocking along here reading all that mail on TB! without many problems, filtering and searching work well, my pre IMAP database of about 150,000 messages is still where I can access it, and I can search both groups separately or together, and every time that I go to use Mulberry for comparison, I am glad that TB! works so well and that it is here to use. > it does not appear to work well as a general purpose mail > client You must live in a different world. Or you have never had to rely on Outlook, or OE, or Pegasus, or Eudora. > It's also one of the very few programs I've touched in the past > 3 years or so that gives me AVs. There have certainly been some bad decision making in making the betas also be the currently released product, and if all this complaining was among users on TBUDL they would have more room to complain, but this is a beta list, and this is beta testing. It's kind of ironic that right now all the complaining is about betas which act like betas, when just a few weeks ago there was all this complaining because there was no aggressive beta cycle going on. There was so much begging that we got an alpha, then there was complaining because the alpha had bugs and AVs. Now we have a large contingent who want to redesign the whole process because the people in Moldavia obviously don't have a clue about anything. Out of all the areas of expertise mentioned or unmentioned in this thread, I'd have to say that professionals in the areas discussed often know more and can judge better than all the volunteer experts. I would say that while I'm not a professional chef, I can judge when food is palatable to me, when it has too much salt etc. Usually when it isn't spicy (piquant) enough, it's way to hot for others to eat, but my tongue still knows. Past that, however, I tend to defer to the experts on lots of the technical matters. I don't do my own taxes, and when people ask me for tax advice I decline. If you pulled up in front of my house in an older car, pre fuel injection pre electronic ignition, maybe a 1978 VW, I could probably get it to run better, but I'm not sure where the spark plugs are on the car I'm driving now. I'm often faced to explain to a client that the legal advice s/he's getting from his/her father-in-law or from over the fence really isn't right and doesn't apply to their situation. Here in the states, you can always turn on a radio and find out lots of better ways to run any team in any team sport, (except hockey since they self-destructed :( ), who to trade, who to bench, etc. I'm sure lots of those people would be able to straighten out TB! as well. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.35 on Windows XP version 5,1 ________________________________________________________ Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
