I apologize; I was confusing this with another scheme involving SSKs, which was an opennet hack.
I absolutely agree that "it is of fundamental importance that we make it as easy as possible for people [ who already know each other ] to connect to each-other". Hence the work going on on IRC plugins. However an invitation scheme which relies on freenet itself is not very useful; we need an invite scheme which can be used to invite people not presently on Freenet. Nextgens is absolutely opposed to UP&P for some fairly good reasons, however without automatic port forwarding I am not sure that any non-interactive invite scheme can work. Having said that an interactive invite scheme (an IM plugin for example) may be a better fit to the problem then sending invites over email. On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 12:24:05PM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > What are you talking about? This isn't an "opennet hack", nor is it > "alchemical", nor does it really need to be simulated since it is > more about usability than something that would have a major effect on > network topology (except, perhaps, to make the network bigger). It > is simply a way to make it easier for two people that have mutually > decided to connect to each-other to connect to each-other. > > Are you going to dismiss every effort to make it easier for people to > connect to each other as an "opennet hack"? Don't you realize that > it is of fundamental importance that we make it as easy as possible > for people to connect to each-other? And before you say it; no, this > doesn't inevitably mean that people will just connect to complete > strangers in a way that destroys clustering. > > Ian. > > On 22 Jun 2006, at 10:46, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > >Please lets not implement alchemical unsimulated opennet-like > >hacks! If > >and when we need and are able to build opennet, we can do it... > > > >On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 09:52:36AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > >>That is not a bad idea, although a major down-side is that it > >>requires that the recipient of the invite is already connected to > >>Freenet. Our biggest challenge is making it as easy as possible for > >>new peers to join the network - although increasing the connection > >>density of peers that are already part of the network is also > >>important. > >> > >>Ian. > >> > >>On 22 Jun 2006, at 09:17, Yongqian Li wrote: > >> > >>>I have an idea for implementing invitational references. Bascially, > >>>in the reference would be a private SSK. When a client receives > >>>such an invitation, it would insert its own ref under the private > >>>SSK which the sender of the invitation can regularly check. This > >>>can be extended to allow an invitation to be used multiple times: > >>>the receiver of the invitation would just try to insert under > >>>SSK at blahblah/1/ and if it fails under SSK at blahblah/2/ and so on and > >>>the sender can check under those as well. > >>> > >>>I am not sure about the security implications of such a system or > >>>how hard it is to implement but I think it can make adding peers > >>>easier. Of course, the person being invited has to be on the > >>>network already... > >>> > >>>Express yourself instantly with Windows Live Messenger > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Tech mailing list > >>>Tech at freenetproject.org > >>>http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech > >> > > > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Tech mailing list > >>Tech at freenetproject.org > >>http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech > > > >-- > >Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org > >Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > >ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > >_______________________________________________ > >Tech mailing list > >Tech at freenetproject.org > >http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (Darwin) > > iD8DBQFEmu5VQtgxRWSmsqwRAqr0AJ9yw8x2JW5mtuVYQFsou3rZALwFfgCfdg7g > q/U/eh39hK9VTqyZosHn4v4= > =ruOL > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Tech mailing list > Tech at freenetproject.org > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech > -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/tech/attachments/20060623/33ce6020/attachment.pgp>
