Minnow,
I know I've had some stuff said about me, but I can tell you right now that I
won't stop caving with any of these people. I mean only one of the messages
even slightly offended me and i really think it was probably meant more as a
joke.
As for learning the best way to do that is to go caving with these people. I
don't know a single caver who isn't willing to pass on knowledge. I've only
been caving now for 4 maybe 5 years now and have learned more than I can tell
you, but I only learn about recent news and trips on here. Most of what i learn
I learn by descending underground with some of the very same people I've been
debating with on here.
I mean we did it off list, but Andy(who I don't think I've ever met in person)
and I debated for a while until, literally, we both just agreed to disagree. We
found our points that we could agree on. Like it's not smart to cave the entire
time with a gun (though he felt it shouldn't have even made it to a cave) and
that it's bad form to just shoot animals for being in the way. Without this
discussion though we might not have seen how each other felt about the subject
and so now I know who would be made uncomfortable by the presence of a gun.
That's important so I don't make them uncomfortable.
This all said, Guns are like politics and religion, when debated things will
get heated. Come to Colorado Bend or one of the other open trips and you'll
see most people just have a great time.
Matt Turner
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it." - Aristotle
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do
that."- Norman Vincent Peale
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From: "bandits...@aol.com" <bandits...@aol.com>
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 3:24:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Yes
I understand the off topic and some people r very funny so the amount of mail
has nothing to do with it! I have been here for half of a year and have learned
a lot from people I just find it very amusing when it gets nasty. It made me
think twice about going on any group trips. I will just learn all I can and do
it with my family and friends. But that's not what I would like. I really want
to learn from all the great caver's on this site. All I was really saying is
cant we all just get along? This is the 1st time I have chimed in about
anything so I hope I am not being downed for it?? Also my 2 cents I agree with
guns for protection but also agree that its just easier to leave a cave with a
snack. That's its home and we care so much about bats but don't care about the
other animals that's just not right.?? Don't get me wrong I have a bat tattoo
and have loved them way b4 I wanted to cave. I just want to learn for all of u.
I'm an empty slate just trying
to learn. Minnow
