Wrt YM ji's fear 15623 and my additions of thirukkural anjuvathu anjamai
pethamai, 2 different thought processes are given. Mr Ramanth said instead
of writing in 3 lines, so much on fera; but Mr Ramanath did not write those
3 lines at all and as usual, cryp[tically , written without any objective
purpose. Our N had spoken something as,"Dear folks Agree completely with
Sri Ramnath V. Fear occurs only through ignorance of the object feared.
The cure is to learn all about the object and thus overcome the fear
through knowledge." This is partly a good one though, never sited how and
where to observe the cause of fear? By agreeing with Mr Ramanth, he went
down in thought process, as never even said what are those
preventive reasonableness is. And , both had not not rebutted the
Tirukkural also. A supposition: Lion or Tiger is in front within a short
distance; both will now think what is that object?; it is a lion; and what
lion will do?; it may pounce; it may say Hello and go off; or it may eat
him or him. Then without fear, if they stand there, they would be dead; if
they run it can run faster than them and kill. If they climb trees, some
animals can climb trees also. Who knows a python may be on that tree also.
And after deeply thinking , having ascertained that the lion is sure to
attack, will they have no fear at all? Lion may do it in 3 hits or even
less than 3 lines to suck the blood.
2 The point of objective is correct; fear is the normal thing for any
species. But just because it is natural does not mean it is essential for
living. We fear things we do not understand. What we cannot understand we
must try to understand. We can never fear the known – fear is always about
the unknown. Fear is an emotion. It is born of the mind owing to various
circumstances; it often leads us to miserable conditions. Nobody has ever
suffered for the want of fear. If you care to disagree, or desire to
suggest that “certain fears are good,” then probably you are confusing a
Threat with Fear. So the threat might increase the adrenaline or fear,
because knowing certain death or unknown emotions could kindle any enzymes.
What is said here is from the artha sastra where the King is advised by
Chanakya, who has all the forces around him to protect him; and *Artha
Shastra *clearly states that “Fear is the sign of Ignorance*,*” and also,
that “A leader with fear is bound to self-destruct, whereas a Leader
without fear is bound to overcome all challenges.”. So an ordinary human
being is not a king. So what Artha sastra says may not be applicable to a
man facing the lion right on face. In the Vedic approach to Politics or
*Rajaneeti *fear is recommended as the tool for making people abide by the
law of the land. But a ruler is asked to “transcend all fears before even
desiring position of power.”The power is defined as *Shakti *in *Artha
Shastra*. A person deserving of power is called *Shakta. *According to
*Shukracharya *in* Shukra Neeti *“A person with fear is *Ashakta* (i.e. a
person undeserving of power.)”
*Bharadwaja, *one of the pioneers of *Kootaneeti *explains “A
*Shakti *can be attained and retained only through *Samarthya *(qualities
of deservingness).” *Samarthya *is a Vedic *Sanskrit *word made of two
words, namely *Sama *or *Balanced *and *Artha *or *Meaningful Wealth. *The
*Artha *is made possible primarily by two aspects – *Gyana *or *Knowledge*
and *Vigyana *or *Wisdom. *According to *Bhartrihari *it is extremely easy
to spot a person without *Knowledge *and *Wisdom. *“A person without
knowledge and wisdom,” he declares, “is ever fearful.” He even suggests “It
is owing to fear that people generate *lust, anger, greed, infatuation,
ego *and *envy.* Therefore, a person who is unable to check these
*Arishadvargas *(or six detrimental qualities) are *Ashaktas *or *Undeserving
of Power.*” Given these depths of wisdom on *Bhayam *or Fear, how are we to
conquer or even transcend fear? Is it even possible?
If you think you fear a person even though you know that person,
think again. You fear that person because you consider that person to
possess some power to hurt you, but you do not understand as to how to get
back at that person. If you know a person inside out, you will certainly
not fear him. The beauty of nature is such that it creates everything with
a set of strengths and weaknesses. Knowledge helps us to understand that.
Then, as long as you take time to understand him/her/it/they, will you not
fear? All your knowledge and wisdom do not help you as an individual
caught in flood(1918 Kerala) , caught in a quagmire, in front of a
lion,virtual unemployment with a big family to support , debtors pulling
out your wife and dresses to put you into shame. Fear may not solve the
problem. But when you don't fear at that juncture where the escape route is
sealed, the best Chanakya also must fear and cannot be thinking where, the
easy solution is not available.
Let's consider the ongoing global economic crisis resulting from
the pandemic. A great many people are losing jobs, entrepreneurs are
struggling to keep their companies afloat, politicians are scrambling to
hold on to power, financial institutions are ailing and aiming to reduce
their burden, and billionaires are trying to hold on to their billions.
Amid this chaos, we are seeing only two sorts of predictable responses,
namely: Fight or Flight. But to fight is being courageous and to flight is
being out of fear, over the impending threat. So where the mind is without
fear is perfect when the serenity exists; but where the time is less, fear
must mount. If a woman would be accused of bad relations , even if she is
not, she must act in such a manner, out of THAT fear, to save herself.
Anjuvathu anjamai pethamai.
This is what we learn from the Bhagavadgita. When you live for
someone you love deeply or for a great cause, your fear and
anxiety go away. Think of a mother, who prepares food for her child or a
person who dies for his country, or someone who wants to save
the planet of the animals. Dian Fossey lived her life and died trying to
save the primates in Africa. Did she live in vain? Therefore, here is
a formula for your personal and spiritual liberation, live for someone or
something you can die for. We are subject to many fears. Fear is the most
dominant emotion of our minds, which manifests in our lives in many ways.
For example, we are afraid of many things, including
cockroaches, lizards and bats. Fear of failure, fear of rejection, fear of
loss are some of the most common fears we experience, which
prevent us from venturing out of our comfort zones and taking risks.
Because of fear many people settle for less. Their dreams remain
dreams, as they sabotage their own success by indulging in
self-destructive actions. Fear is also a major emotion we deal with when we
start a new project or a business as we are overwhelmed with doubts and
questions about our abilities and the results of our actions and
decisions. The Bhagavadgita goes to the root of this problem and tries to
address it on a lasting basis. It gives you a formula by which
you can live without fear and experience peace and equanimity. Even in the
midst of war Krishna says not to fear because it is not the
lakshan of a kshatriya, meaning rest would fear. And as alast resort,
kshatriya will only be killed and reach swarga. So fear is a subjective
emotion where it has to be, must be abided by fear.
நாம் அஞ்ச வேண்டிய (செயல்கள், காலம், மனிதர்கள்) விசயங்களுக்கு
அஞ்சாமல் இருப்பது மடத்தனம் ஆகும். அறிவற்றவர்களே அவ்வாறு செய்வார்கள். அதே
சமயம் எதைக் கண்டு அஞ்ச வேண்டும் அதைக் கண்டு அஞ்சி அதற்குத் தகுந்தாற்
போன்று நடப்பது அறிவுள்ளவர்கள் செய்யும் செயல் ஆகும் . நுணுக்கமாக சிந்தித்தால்,
இதை இரு வகையாக அர்த்தம் கொள்ளலாம். முதலாவதாக, நாம் பழி மற்றும் பாவங்களை தரக்
கூடிய செயல்களை கண்டு அஞ்சி ஒதுங்கி இருப்பது இருப்பது நன்று. அவ்வாறு
அஞ்சவேண்டியவற்றை கண்டு அஞ்சாமல் இருப்பது மடமை என பொருள் கொள்ளலாம். அல்லது
இரண்டாவதாக, உண்மையிலேயே யதார்த்ததிலே பயப்பட வேண்டிய இடங்களிலே பயப்படாமல்
நடக்க முயல்வது அறிவற்ற செயல் எனவும் கருதலாம். உதாரணமாக நடு இரவில், தனிமையில்
நிறைய பொருள் அல்லது நகையுடன் செல்வது, அஞ்ச வேண்டிய(திருடர்களுக்கு) செயல்.
அதற்கு அஞ்சாமல், மூடத்தனமாக நடப்போம். அதனால் அதற்கான விளைவுகளை சந்தித்தே தீர
வேண்டி வரும். மேலும், செய்யவேண்டிய செயல்களை காலம் கடத்துவது தீய விளைவுகளை
விளைவுக்கும் பெரியோரும் இகழுவர் என்பதனை நினைத்து அஞ்சாமல் இருப்பது
மடமையாகும். அதாவது செயல்களை / கடமையை காலம் தாழத்துவது மடமையாகும். ”*குறள்* *36
**அன்றறிவாம்* *என்னாது* *அறஞ்செய்க* *மற்றது* *பொன்றுங்கால்* *பொன்றாத்*
*துணை* <https://dailyprojectthirukkural.blogspot.com/2016/06/kural36.html>”
என்பதை நினைவில் கொள்க. அதே போல், படிக்கும் காலங்களில், ஆசிரியர்க்கு பயந்து
நடப்பது, சிறு வயதில் பெற்றோருக்கு பயந்து நடப்பது, கடவுளுக்கு பயந்து நடப்பது
போன்றவற்றை, நல்ல விஷயங்கள், அஞ்ச வேண்டிய விஷயங்கள் எனக் கூறலாம். எனக்கு
மிகவும் பிடித்த ஒரு ஆங்கில மொழியை இக்குறள் நினைவு படுத்துகிறது. "The fear
of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom"
It is unnatural to be natural in an unnatural situation. A
normal human being gets agitated when circumstances become abnormal.
Similarly, if a person is not afraid of things to be afraid, he is
considered ignorant. We need to be cautious of things or events that bring
negative consequences. Real knowledge is to be afraid of what is to be
afraid. Knowledgeable people can differentiate between what is to be feared
and what is not to be feared and act accordingly, assures Kural 428.
Not to fear what should be feared is
The wise know better.
If one is not scared (i.e. not having fear) about things that ought to be
scared/feared (for e.g., not scared of not doing work, time, people, not
scared of bad/evil things) then that will be considered as stupidity. Only
brainless people will do that. Knowledgeable people will know what to be
afraid of and what not to be afraid of. One needs to be cautious of things
or events that bring negative consequences. We have learnt before that
fear is not a good thing. However, here the context is fear about not
doing. Because being idle, procrastinating is not healthy, productive and
good. Hence, one has to fear such a condition. Also, one has to fear about
sin, bad consequences etc. If one is not scared of negative consequences,
then they will take things for granted and it can lead to catastrophes,
destruction, failures, loss of life/money etc which cannot be reversed or
will take a lot of time, effort and money to rebuild.
Can anyone understand in 3 lines, when someone is stating we have
to analyse in front of the unknown, without even being able to cognise. In
the USA yesterday someone reported a 10 feet tall object reported by the
resident who ran away from that place; Can an ordinary person be standing
before that unknown and keep analysing to understand however learnt he is?
K Rajaram IRS 19 6 23
On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 at 20:40, 'Shankar Narayanaswamy' via KeralaIyers <
[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear folks
>
> Agree completely with Sri Ramnath V.
>
> Fear occurs only through ignorance of the object feared. The cure is to
> learn all about the object and thus overcome the fear through knowledge.
>
> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>
> On 16 Jun 2023, at 10:20 PM, Ramnath V <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hopeless write up! What one could write in three lines, the details are
> useless.
>
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2023, 06:52 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers, <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Excellent write up sir
>> Gopalakrishnan
>>
>> On Thursday, 15 June, 2023 at 06:29:13 am IST, Markendeya Yeddanapudi <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Mar** Fear*
>>
>> *Chronic fear is belief in failure. Most of us do not live in the
>> present. We spend time introspecting. When we experience failure, it gnaws,
>> we live retrospectively continuing the failure. We disable ourselves from
>> living in the present.*
>>
>> *The internal communication system between and among the cells is the
>> hormonal system. A hormone is simply the instruction from the brain to the
>> cell to act in a particular way. When the brain cannot free itself from the
>> memory of past failures, it automatically tells the cells that there is
>> failure looming large and fear takes over. The fear ultimately becomes
>> automatic reflex and it gets embedded as the repression. In repression, you
>> cannot know why you are fearing or acting in a cowardly manner, because the
>> repressed cause hides in the sub-conscious, and plays mischief without
>> being caught. But it devastates your very capacity to live in the present.
>> The negativism in the hormonal communication system becomes auto- matic.You
>> develop the fear response as an automatic reflex--- the flight or avoidance
>> or procrastination or chronic postponement response. It is the chronic
>> inability of self control.*
>>
>> *It is a situation where your body does not obey your command. When
>> someone beats you, you want to beat back, but to your horror and shame you
>> find that you are shivering and running away. And you do not know why you
>> are acting like the coward, though you don’t want to be a coward. The
>> hormones no longer wait for fresh orders, they have standing instructions.*
>>
>> *If you want to remove the fear, it will be good, if you can actually
>> catch the culprit hiding within you as a repressed criminal. By going to a
>> good Psycho analyst you may be able to bring out the repressed or hiding
>> cause and deliberately not allow it to do the mischief. You tell very
>> vehemently your hormonal system to stop sending the fear generating
>> hormones. You have to watch yourself and deliberately suppress the mischief
>> of the hitherto unconscious memory.*
>>
>> *Then you have to practise self control through yoga. Here yoga means not
>> only the health giving and other asanas but also repeatedly telling
>> yourself some success mantra devised by you.*
>>
>> *That mantra must trigger the helping hormone or the positive hormones.
>> Then you have to practise living in the present only. When you live in the
>> present, you face problems instead of using the usual avoidance tricks like
>> postponement or depressed surrender. You can live in the present and face
>> the problems only when you believe in yourself and approve yourself. Do
>> good things that get you certificate from yourself. Also give good
>> certificates automatically where you find really good deeds, an
>> appreciation is always appreciated and it helps your own positive hormonal
>> system.*
>>
>> *You have to stop living retrospectively if you are suffering from
>> failures. Experience and analysis never happen at the same time. All
>> analysis is post mortem.*
>>
>> *If you ask me whether there is God, I automatically tell that there is
>> God. Who is that God? In your case it is yourself. Make it a point to adore
>> and show your bhakthi to your personal God—yourself. If you pray to him/her
>> show your devotion and absolute belief, He/She will give whatever you want.
>> So my dear God, start.*
>>
>> *Actually you do not experience any fear when the thing you fear is
>> happening. Only you start fearing after remembering the event. Then you
>> start dreading. Concentrate only on the objective or if possible on a
>> mission you select, there are always barking dogs, and dogs bite only when
>> you show fear, no dog attacks when it finds that you are courageous.
>> Courage building is a lifelong affair; you have to continuously practice
>> it, till it gets part of your internal hormonal communication.*
>>
>> *COURAGE IS NOT UNTHINKINGLY AND BRUTALLY BEATING SOMEONE.IT
>> <http://SOMEONE.IT> IS THE OUTCOME OF THE CHRONIC ABSENCE OF SELF
>> CONTROL....ACTUALLY CHRONIC FEAR, A BULLY CAN BE TAMED VERY EASILY.*
>>
>> *The best method of building courage, self confidence, and self
>> esteem..., is to take up a mission that gives real help and happiness to
>> many. Every small bit of success gives you an enormous dividend of self
>> esteem. A Gautama Buddha or Ramana Maharshi never shouted or ranted or
>> smirked happily at others problems. They tried to help. They understood
>> sincere missions. But Hitlers always rave and rant and Hitler never had the
>> courage to personally visit an extermination camp and ultimately committed
>> suicide, because he was so definite that he could not answer, so much of
>> embedded fear and self contempt in reality.*
>>
>> *YM*
>>
>>
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