Thank u but I am not a prodigy I think. I try to do my job in the best
possible manner. Thanks again  KR  IRS  19 6 23

On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 at 00:44, Markendeya Yeddanapudi <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Rajaram Sir,
> I thank you for elevating my personal contemplations,not based on any
> authoritative text in Psychology,but just my armchair write up,like all
> other write ups of mine,to your ultimate High Brow discourse.My write ups
> are my own completely and they cannot match the researched texts of the
> subject Psychology.You,of course are a great prodigy,and I am lucky to have
> come into contact with you.
> YM
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 12:28 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Wrt YM ji's fear 15623 and my additions of thirukkural anjuvathu anjamai
>> pethamai, 2 different thought processes are given. Mr Ramanth said instead
>> of writing in 3 lines, so much on fera; but Mr Ramanath did not write those
>> 3 lines at all and as usual, cryp[tically , written without any objective
>> purpose. Our N had spoken something as,"Dear folks Agree completely with
>> Sri Ramnath V.   Fear occurs only through ignorance of the object feared.
>> The cure is to learn all about the object and thus overcome the fear
>> through knowledge."  This is partly a good one though, never sited how and
>> where to observe the cause of fear? By agreeing with Mr Ramanth, he went
>> down in thought process, as never even said what are those
>> preventive reasonableness is. And , both had not not rebutted the
>> Tirukkural also. A supposition:  Lion or Tiger is in front within a short
>> distance; both will now think what is that object?; it is a lion; and what
>> lion will do?; it may pounce; it may say Hello and go off; or it may eat
>> him or him. Then without fear, if they stand there, they would be dead; if
>> they run it can run faster than them and kill. If they climb trees, some
>> animals can climb trees also. Who knows a python may be on that tree also.
>> And after deeply thinking , having ascertained that the lion is sure to
>> attack, will they have no fear at all? Lion may do it in 3 hits or even
>> less than 3 lines to suck the blood.
>> 2       The point of objective is correct; fear is the normal thing for
>> any species. But just because it is natural does not mean it is
>> essential for living. We fear things we do not understand. What we cannot
>> understand we must try to understand. We can never fear the known – fear is
>> always about the unknown. Fear is an emotion. It is born of the mind
>> owing to various circumstances; it often leads us to miserable conditions.
>> Nobody has ever suffered for the want of fear. If you care to disagree, or
>> desire to suggest that “certain fears are good,” then probably you are
>> confusing a Threat with Fear. So the threat might increase the
>> adrenaline or fear, because knowing certain death or unknown emotions could
>> kindle any enzymes. What is said here is from the artha sastra where the
>> King is advised by Chanakya, who has all the forces around him to protect
>> him; and *Artha Shastra *clearly states that “Fear is the sign of
>> Ignorance*,*” and also, that “A leader with fear is bound to
>> self-destruct, whereas a Leader without fear is bound to overcome all
>> challenges.”. So an ordinary human being is not a king. So what Artha
>> sastra says may not be applicable to a man facing the lion right on face. In
>> the Vedic approach to Politics or *Rajaneeti *fear is recommended as the
>> tool for making people abide by the law of the land. But a ruler is asked
>> to “transcend all fears before even desiring position of power.”The
>> power is defined as *Shakti *in *Artha Shastra*. A person deserving of
>> power is called *Shakta. *According to *Shukracharya *in* Shukra Neeti *“A
>> person with fear is *Ashakta* (i.e. a person undeserving of power.)”
>>       *Bharadwaja, *one of the pioneers of *Kootaneeti *explains “A
>> *Shakti *can be attained and retained only through *Samarthya *(qualities
>> of deservingness).” *Samarthya *is a Vedic *Sanskrit *word made of two
>> words, namely *Sama *or *Balanced *and *Artha *or *Meaningful Wealth. *
>> The *Artha *is made possible primarily by two aspects – *Gyana *or
>> *Knowledge* and *Vigyana *or *Wisdom. *According to *Bhartrihari *it is
>> extremely easy to spot a person without *Knowledge *and *Wisdom. *“A
>> person without knowledge and wisdom,” he declares, “is ever fearful.” He
>> even suggests “It is owing to fear that people generate *lust, anger,
>> greed, infatuation, ego *and *envy.* Therefore, a person who is unable
>> to check these *Arishadvargas *(or six detrimental qualities) are
>> *Ashaktas *or *Undeserving of Power.*” Given these depths of wisdom on
>> *Bhayam *or Fear, how are we to conquer or even transcend fear? Is it
>> even possible?
>>       If you think you fear a person even though you know that person,
>> think again. You fear that person because you consider that person to
>> possess some power to hurt you, but you do not understand as to how to
>> get back at that person. If you know a person inside out, you will
>> certainly not fear him. The beauty of nature is such that it creates
>> everything with a set of strengths and weaknesses. Knowledge helps us to
>> understand that.   Then, as long as you take time to understand
>> him/her/it/they, will you not fear?  All your knowledge and wisdom do not
>> help you as an individual caught in flood(1918 Kerala) , caught in a
>> quagmire, in front of a lion,virtual unemployment with a big family to
>> support , debtors pulling out your wife and dresses to put you into shame.
>> Fear may not solve the problem. But when you don't fear at that juncture
>> where the escape route is sealed, the best Chanakya also must fear and
>> cannot be thinking where, the easy solution is not available.
>>           Let's consider the ongoing global economic crisis resulting
>> from the pandemic. A great many people are losing jobs, entrepreneurs are
>> struggling to keep their companies afloat, politicians are scrambling to
>> hold on to power, financial institutions are ailing and aiming to reduce
>> their burden, and billionaires are trying to hold on to their billions.
>> Amid this chaos, we are seeing only two sorts of predictable responses,
>> namely: Fight or Flight. But to fight is being courageous and to flight is
>> being out of fear, over the impending threat. So where the mind is without
>> fear is perfect when the serenity exists; but where the time is less, fear
>> must mount. If a woman would be accused of bad relations , even if she is
>> not, she must act in such a manner, out of THAT fear, to save herself.
>> Anjuvathu anjamai pethamai.
>>
>>            This is what we learn from the Bhagavadgita. When you live
>> for someone you love deeply or for a great cause, your fear and
>>
>>  anxiety go away. Think of a mother, who prepares food for her child or a
>> person who dies for his country, or someone who wants to save
>>
>>  the planet of the animals. Dian Fossey lived her life and died trying to
>> save the primates in Africa. Did she live in vain? Therefore, here is
>>
>>  a formula for your personal and spiritual liberation, live for someone
>> or something you can die for.   We are subject to many fears. Fear is
>> the most dominant emotion of our minds, which manifests in our lives in
>> many ways. For example, we are afraid of many things, including
>>
>>  cockroaches, lizards and bats. Fear of failure, fear of rejection, fear
>> of loss are some of the most common fears we experience, which
>>
>>  prevent us from venturing out of our comfort zones and taking risks.
>> Because of fear many people settle for less. Their dreams remain
>>
>>  dreams, as they sabotage their own success by indulging in
>> self-destructive actions. Fear is also a major emotion we deal with when we
>>
>>  start a new project or a business as we are overwhelmed with doubts and
>> questions about our abilities and the results of our actions and
>>
>>  decisions.  The Bhagavadgita goes to the root of this problem and tries
>> to address it on a lasting basis. It gives you a formula by which
>>
>>  you can live without fear and experience peace and equanimity. Even in
>> the midst of war Krishna says not to fear because it is not the
>>
>>  lakshan of a kshatriya, meaning rest would fear. And as alast resort,
>> kshatriya will only be killed and reach swarga. So fear is a subjective
>>
>>  emotion where it has to be, must be abided by fear.
>>
>>             நாம் அஞ்ச வேண்டிய (செயல்கள், காலம், மனிதர்கள்) விசயங்களுக்கு
>> அஞ்சாமல் இருப்பது மடத்தனம் ஆகும். அறிவற்றவர்களே அவ்வாறு செய்வார்கள். அதே
>> சமயம் எதைக் கண்டு அஞ்ச வேண்டும் அதைக்  கண்டு அஞ்சி அதற்குத்  தகுந்தாற்
>> போன்று நடப்பது அறிவுள்ளவர்கள் செய்யும் செயல் ஆகும் . நுணுக்கமாக
>> சிந்தித்தால், இதை இரு வகையாக அர்த்தம் கொள்ளலாம். முதலாவதாக, நாம் பழி
>> மற்றும் பாவங்களை தரக் கூடிய செயல்களை கண்டு அஞ்சி ஒதுங்கி இருப்பது
>> இருப்பது நன்று. அவ்வாறு அஞ்சவேண்டியவற்றை கண்டு அஞ்சாமல் இருப்பது மடமை என
>> பொருள் கொள்ளலாம். அல்லது இரண்டாவதாக, உண்மையிலேயே யதார்த்ததிலே பயப்பட
>> வேண்டிய இடங்களிலே பயப்படாமல் நடக்க முயல்வது அறிவற்ற செயல் எனவும் கருதலாம்.
>> உதாரணமாக நடு இரவில், தனிமையில் நிறைய பொருள் அல்லது நகையுடன் செல்வது, அஞ்ச
>> வேண்டிய(திருடர்களுக்கு) செயல். அதற்கு அஞ்சாமல், மூடத்தனமாக நடப்போம்.
>> அதனால் அதற்கான விளைவுகளை சந்தித்தே தீர வேண்டி வரும்.  மேலும்,
>> செய்யவேண்டிய செயல்களை காலம் கடத்துவது தீய விளைவுகளை விளைவுக்கும்
>> பெரியோரும் இகழுவர் என்பதனை நினைத்து அஞ்சாமல் இருப்பது மடமையாகும். அதாவது
>> செயல்களை / கடமையை காலம் தாழத்துவது மடமையாகும். ”*குறள்* *36 **அன்றறிவாம்*
>> *என்னாது* *அறஞ்செய்க* *மற்றது* *பொன்றுங்கால்* *பொன்றாத்* *துணை*
>> <https://dailyprojectthirukkural.blogspot.com/2016/06/kural36.html>”
>> என்பதை நினைவில் கொள்க.  அதே போல், படிக்கும் காலங்களில், ஆசிரியர்க்கு
>> பயந்து நடப்பது, சிறு வயதில் பெற்றோருக்கு பயந்து நடப்பது, கடவுளுக்கு
>> பயந்து நடப்பது போன்றவற்றை, நல்ல விஷயங்கள், அஞ்ச வேண்டிய விஷயங்கள் எனக்
>> கூறலாம். எனக்கு மிகவும் பிடித்த ஒரு ஆங்கில மொழியை இக்குறள்  நினைவு
>> படுத்துகிறது. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom"
>>
>>               It is unnatural to be natural in an unnatural situation. A
>> normal human being gets agitated when circumstances become abnormal.
>> Similarly, if a person is not afraid of things to be afraid, he is
>> considered ignorant. We need to be cautious of things or events that bring
>> negative consequences. Real knowledge is to be afraid of what is to be
>> afraid. Knowledgeable people can differentiate between what is to be feared
>> and what is not to be feared and act accordingly, assures Kural 428.
>>
>> Not to fear what  should be feared is
>>
>> The wise know better.
>>
>> If one is not scared (i.e. not having fear) about things that ought to be
>> scared/feared (for e.g., not scared of not doing work, time, people, not
>> scared of bad/evil things) then that will be considered as stupidity. Only
>> brainless people will do that. Knowledgeable people will know what to be
>> afraid of and what not to be afraid of. One needs to be cautious of things
>> or events that bring negative consequences.  We have learnt before that
>> fear is not a good thing. However, here the context is fear about not
>> doing. Because being idle, procrastinating is not healthy, productive and
>> good. Hence, one has to fear such a condition. Also, one has to fear about
>> sin, bad consequences etc. If one is not scared of negative consequences,
>> then they will take things for granted and it can lead to catastrophes,
>> destruction, failures, loss of life/money etc which cannot be reversed or
>> will take a lot of time, effort and money to rebuild.
>>
>>         Can anyone understand in 3 lines, when someone is stating we have
>> to analyse in front of the unknown, without even being able to cognise. In
>> the USA yesterday someone reported a 10 feet tall object reported by the
>> resident who ran away from that place; Can an ordinary person be standing
>> before that unknown and keep analysing to understand however learnt he is?
>>  K Rajaram    IRS     19 6 23
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 at 20:40, 'Shankar Narayanaswamy' via KeralaIyers <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear folks
>>>
>>> Agree completely with Sri Ramnath V.
>>>
>>> Fear occurs only through ignorance of the object feared.  The cure is to
>>> learn all about the object and thus overcome the fear through knowledge.
>>>
>>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>>>
>>> On 16 Jun 2023, at 10:20 PM, Ramnath V <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hopeless write up! What one could write in three lines, the details are
>>> useless.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2023, 06:52 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers, <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Excellent write up sir
>>>> Gopalakrishnan
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, 15 June, 2023 at 06:29:13 am IST, Markendeya Yeddanapudi <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Mar**      Fear*
>>>>
>>>> *Chronic fear is belief in failure. Most of us do not live in the
>>>> present. We spend time introspecting. When we experience failure, it gnaws,
>>>> we live retrospectively continuing the failure. We disable ourselves from
>>>> living in the present.*
>>>>
>>>> *The internal communication system between and among the cells is the
>>>> hormonal system. A hormone is simply the instruction from the brain to the
>>>> cell to act in a particular way. When the brain cannot free itself from the
>>>> memory of past failures, it automatically tells the cells that there is
>>>> failure looming large and fear takes over. The fear ultimately becomes
>>>> automatic reflex and it gets embedded as the repression. In repression, you
>>>> cannot know why you are fearing or acting in a cowardly manner, because the
>>>> repressed cause hides in the sub-conscious, and plays mischief without
>>>> being caught. But it devastates your very capacity to live in the present.
>>>> The negativism in the hormonal communication system becomes auto- matic.You
>>>> develop the fear response as an automatic reflex--- the flight or avoidance
>>>> or procrastination or chronic postponement response. It is the chronic
>>>> inability of self control.*
>>>>
>>>> *It is a situation where your body does not obey your command. When
>>>> someone beats you, you want to beat back, but to your horror and shame you
>>>> find that you are shivering and running away. And you do not know why you
>>>> are acting like the coward, though you don’t want to be a coward. The
>>>> hormones no longer wait for fresh orders, they have standing instructions.*
>>>>
>>>> *If you want to remove the fear, it will be good, if you can actually
>>>> catch the culprit hiding within you as a repressed criminal. By going to a
>>>> good Psycho analyst you may be able to bring out the repressed or hiding
>>>> cause and deliberately not allow it to do the mischief. You tell very
>>>> vehemently your hormonal system to stop sending the fear generating
>>>> hormones. You have to watch yourself and deliberately suppress the mischief
>>>> of the hitherto unconscious memory.*
>>>>
>>>> *Then you have to practise self control through yoga. Here yoga means
>>>> not only the health giving and other asanas but also repeatedly telling
>>>> yourself some success mantra devised by you.*
>>>>
>>>> *That mantra must trigger the helping hormone or the positive hormones.
>>>> Then you have to practise living in the present only. When you live in the
>>>> present, you face problems instead of using the usual avoidance tricks like
>>>> postponement or depressed surrender. You can live in the present and face
>>>> the problems only when you believe in yourself and approve yourself. Do
>>>> good things that get you certificate from yourself. Also give good
>>>> certificates automatically where you find really good deeds, an
>>>> appreciation is always appreciated and it helps your own positive hormonal
>>>> system.*
>>>>
>>>> *You have to stop living retrospectively if you are suffering from
>>>> failures. Experience and analysis never happen at the same time. All
>>>> analysis is post mortem.*
>>>>
>>>> *If you ask me whether there is God, I automatically tell that there is
>>>> God. Who is that God? In your case it is yourself. Make it a point to adore
>>>> and show your bhakthi to your personal God—yourself. If you pray to him/her
>>>> show your devotion and absolute belief, He/She will give whatever you want.
>>>> So my dear God, start.*
>>>>
>>>> *Actually you do not experience any fear when the thing you fear is
>>>> happening. Only you start fearing after remembering the event. Then you
>>>> start dreading. Concentrate only on the objective or if possible on a
>>>> mission you select, there are always barking dogs, and dogs bite only when
>>>> you show fear, no dog attacks when it finds that you are courageous.
>>>> Courage building is a lifelong affair; you have to continuously practice
>>>> it, till it gets part of your internal hormonal communication.*
>>>>
>>>> *COURAGE IS NOT UNTHINKINGLY AND BRUTALLY BEATING SOMEONE.IT
>>>> <http://SOMEONE.IT> IS THE OUTCOME OF THE CHRONIC ABSENCE OF SELF
>>>> CONTROL....ACTUALLY CHRONIC FEAR, A BULLY CAN BE TAMED VERY EASILY.*
>>>>
>>>> *The best method of building courage, self confidence, and self
>>>> esteem..., is to take up a mission that gives real help and happiness to
>>>> many. Every small bit of success gives you an enormous dividend of self
>>>> esteem. A Gautama Buddha or Ramana Maharshi never shouted or ranted or
>>>> smirked happily at others problems. They tried to help. They understood
>>>> sincere missions. But Hitlers always rave and rant and Hitler never had the
>>>> courage to personally visit an extermination camp and ultimately committed
>>>> suicide, because he was so definite that he could not answer, so much of
>>>> embedded fear and self contempt in reality.*
>>>>
>>>> *YM*
>>>>
>>>>
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