I'm not sure the created field is never cleaned off. Like possibly during export/import procedures. Or when packed/unpacked from a plugin. Maybe use a separate id field just to be sure.
On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 9:52:28 AM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote: > > If I was doing that I would auto assign an integer primary key, but if > that's more work you could use the created timestamp. > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:40 AM ludwa6 > >> Arlen: storage in a RDBMS (requirement for this application i want to >> develop[1]) requires a Primary Key that is both guaranteed unique AND >> cannot be changed -but tiddler Title *can* be changed, so that is not a >> good candidate, seems to me. The one element of this schema that appears >> immutable to me is that "created" date/time stamp, which has 3 digits >> beyond minutes (thousandths of a minute, perhaps?), so that is fine-grained >> enough to guarantee uniqueness, i guess. >> >> [1] To explain: i need RDBMS storage for this particular application >> because i need to correlate tiddlers with records in other tables of the >> database that they are meant to document, or otherwise extend. This RDBMS >> lies at the heart of a gateway that facilitates data I/O with a set remote >> nodes for sensing & control of farm operations -initially a >> climate-controlled greenhouse. The data flowing between nodes in this >> environment is structured as a rule, such that humans cannot mess with it. >> Yet it is precisely those "messy" human inputs -e.g. observations, photos, >> links, questions, etc.- that i aim to capture thru TiddlyWiki. The real >> power of this application will lie in its ability to corrrelate machine >> data with user-generated data... And for that, i need both to be stored in >> RDBMS (just in case you were wondering why :-) >> >> >> On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 12:23:00 PM UTC+1, Arlen Beiler wrote: >>> >>> Those last lines are a mystery to me. I've never seen them before. I'll >>> check make sure I'm not missing anything. >>> >>> The tiddler title is the primary key in Tiddly wiki. I don't really >>> think you would need to store it anywhere else though. >>> >>> Everything is in flux right now, but hopefully we'll have it mailed down >>> soon and then I'll be able to better recommend how to use a database with >>> this. But it certainly isn't required. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 06:42 ludwa6 <wlud...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Arlen: Putting your earlier instructions together with Mark's >>>> declaration of listener port, i *think* i've got he server running on my >>>> Pi >>>> server... But in fact i'm still confused about this. >>>> >>>> The UI looks & seems to be performing pretty much like TiddlyWiki >>>> single-file version, except that default "Getting Started" tiddler asked >>>> me >>>> to make & save one, & confirm that it worked... So i did, and now i see it >>>> in the file system, inside 'MyNewWikiFolder/tiddlers/ , along with >>>> $_StoryList.tid . I then created a 2nd tiddler, which appeared as a 2nd >>>> file in the same directory... So can i safely presume i've got tiddly >>>> server working as it should? >>>> >>>> Now looking at the schema of these files, it seems pretty simple, i.e.: >>>> >>>> - created: (date/time stamp in yyyymmddhhmm format, followed by a >>>> 3-digit numeric) >>>> - modified: (same format as above) >>>> - tags: (if any, a horizontal list) >>>> - title: (as declared) >>>> - type: text/vnd.tiddlywiki >>>> - (single line space, followed by... >>>> - (full text of tiddler, followed by... >>>> - (some 16 lines, blank except for '~' as initial character... >>>> - <ikiFolder/tiddlers/(TitleOfTiddler).tid >>>> - [noeol] 7L, 132C 7,23 ALL >>>> >>>> That last line is most mysterious to me, as i don't know what those >>>> codes refer to, nor why there's so many spaces preceding the last 2 >>>> strings. >>>> >>>> Best candidate for Primary Key here, as far as i can see, would be the >>>> first attribute -the "created" date/time stamp- but i don't know how to >>>> turn these files into rows in the SQLite database where i want to store >>>> the >>>> data. From what Tony said, i gather it would involve building a sync >>>> module >>>> of some sort, but i have no idea how that might be done. Any prior art, >>>> or >>>> ideas about this? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 7:00:25 PM UTC+1, Arlen Beiler wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, what I said was for tiddly server. What mark said is for tiddly >>>>> wiki. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 13:56 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki < >>>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The listen command can take a port number. Like >>>>>> >>>>>> --listen port=8090 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 9:37:36 AM UTC-7, ludwa6 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Arlen: Great to hear, thanks! >>>>>>> So i ran those commands, installed TiddlyServer on my Raspberry Pi >>>>>>> gateway... But hit a little snag setting up the listener, in that port >>>>>>> :8080 is owned by another application server. Can't change that for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> moment, as it's a service i can't really mess with. Could talk to that >>>>>>> developer about changing the port he's using, i suppose... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But just to see this working, i tried to install on my Mac, but >>>>>>> terminal tells me: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -bash: npm: command not found >>>>>>> Suppose i could use a different package manager, if i knew how (yes, >>>>>>> i am a complete unix n00b =8-( >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Will try to bone up on the requisite skills, but any more crib notes >>>>>>> would of course be appreciated! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /walt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 3:06:52 PM UTC+1, Arlen Beiler wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have tried doing SQLite but there are some caveats that need to >>>>>>>> be accounted for. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I would recommend you do is use data folders instead of single >>>>>>>> file wikis. Data folders store tiddlers in individual text files using >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> custom format that Jeremy came up with. It works very well for text >>>>>>>> based >>>>>>>> storage solutions like GitHub. I'm actually really surprised no one >>>>>>>> mentioned this yet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To get started, install tiddlywiki globally by running npm install >>>>>>>> tiddlywiki -g >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Next, to create a blank data folder, run tiddlywiki >>>>>>>> ./MyNewWikiFolder --init server >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then run tiddlywiki ./MyNewWikiFolder --listen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now open your browser to localhost:8080 and start exploring. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> TiddlyServer is a good way to load multiple data folders on the >>>>>>>> same port. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hope that helps, >>>>>>>> Arlen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:52 AM ludwa6 <wlud...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Such a wealth of options for Local-First storage have emerged in >>>>>>>>> this thread (must say: i'm super impressed with the strength of this >>>>>>>>> community i have just joined), i've been able to quickly implement >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> simple approach suggested by Jeremy (TW Desktop, + cloud sync to >>>>>>>>> Github), >>>>>>>>> which is serving me well enough for now. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yet, as i'm fast creating quite a mountain of data in TW, i'm also >>>>>>>>> bothered by the growing sense that what i really want at the back end >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> this beautiful thing is a database -ideally SQLite, which has all >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> local-first/ single-file/ portability goodness of TW, while bringing >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> full set of functionalities needed to manage a large database with >>>>>>>>> integrity. With a single SQLite file stored locally and replicated >>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>> cloud, that gives us a solution that ticks all the boxes in that >>>>>>>>> seminal Local-First paper >>>>>>>>> <https://www.inkandswitch.com/local-first.html>: Fast, >>>>>>>>> Multi-Device, Offline, Collaboration, Longevity, Privacy, >>>>>>>>> User-Control. >>>>>>>>> Combining this with the power of TW5 interface (really an "interface >>>>>>>>> builder for the rest of us," i would call it), minus mess of .html >>>>>>>>> backup >>>>>>>>> files i've got to keep cleaning off my machine (SQLite has a full >>>>>>>>> transactional history, so no need of any backups but that one file, >>>>>>>>> replicated to cloud), and that in broad-strokes would be the shape of >>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> dream machine. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So i must ask: has anyone tried using SQLite as storage for a >>>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki? If this is indeed technically feasible, can anyone point >>>>>>>>> me to >>>>>>>>> prior art on which i might be able to build such a solution? 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