It feels silly replying to myself, but...

Some possibilities are:

   - mxgraph - this is the basis for draw.io, which has a GUI, &c.  A GUI 
   is not strictly necessary, but would be handy for some things - free
   - JointJS - Seems to support the usual diagram types, including BPMN free
   - yEd - I really like the layout options, being able to import SVG 
   nodes.  It is free for any use, but if the underlying libraries (yFiles) 
   are to be used, they have commercial licencing..

The trick is finding someone with the chops to be able to integrate 
something like one of these, then stick around to update from time to 
time.  I get the impression that most people are not really interested in 
diagrams to sit alongside the notes in a tiddler.  The closest thing so far 
is viz and railroad, which are both rather limited.


On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 9:26:00 AM UTC-7 Sean Boyle wrote:

> Hi Victor,
> Thanks for the reply!
>
> Yes, I tried out PlantUML (nice sequence diagram, btw).  I don't know if 
> it is still that way, but it used to be that the drawing was pushed to an 
> internet server for processing.  I'm more interested in something which is 
> self-contained, especially since some of my diagrams could be considered 
> sensitive, but in general I like self-contained solutions.  Some others 
> which I have tried out are:
> * Mermaid
> * Graphviz
> * Railroad
> * Tidgraph
> * edit in an external tool, render, and import the SVG (usually yEd)
>
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 6:54:19 AM UTC-7 Victor Dorneanu wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> there is also PlantUML: http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#plantuml
>>
>> I've used this for some proof-of-concept I was doing:
>> https://tiddly.info/serverless#about
>>
>> KR, 
>> Victor 
>>
>> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 1:08:57 AM UTC+1 Sean Boyle wrote:
>>
>>> Pinging this topic again.  It appears that diagramming plugins come, 
>>> then are abandoned.  I have taken to using graphviz (viz plugin) and it 
>>> works reasonably well (only a bit quirky) and if there were some reasonable 
>>> ways of adding symbols for creating graphs such as flowchart, CORAS, BPMN, 
>>> sequence, communication diagrams, it would fulfill 90% of my needs.  Having 
>>> said that, are there any efforts out there for incorporating lightweight 
>>> graphing with extensible symbol sets, or diagramming?
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 2:00:59 PM UTC-7 Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>
>>>> I found that sequence diagrammes seem to copy / paste, but DAG and 
>>>> GANTT do not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 1:44:16 PM UTC-7, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My workaround is to use the online editor: 
>>>>> https://mermaidjs.github.io/mermaid-live-editor/#/edit/eyJjb2RlIjoiZ3JhcGggVERcbkFbQ2hyaXN0bWFzXSAtLT58R2V0IG1vbmV5fCBCKEdvIHNob3BwaW5nKVxuQiAtLT4gQ3tMZXQgbWUgdGhpbmt9XG5DIC0tPnxPbmV8IERbTGFwdG9wXVxuQyAtLT58VHdvfCBFW2lQaG9uZV1cbkMgLS0-fFRocmVlfCBGW0Nhcl1cbiIsIm1lcm1haWQiOnsidGhlbWUiOiJkZWZhdWx0In19
>>>>>  , 
>>>>> save as SVG, import to TW, and transclude.  That seems to work OK for 
>>>>> copy/paste to other windows.  It does seem to be a problem for other 
>>>>> graphical stuff, like railroad diagrams.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 4:39:51 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ciao Sean
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree that Mermaid for TiddlyWiki is good. Its simple plain text 
>>>>>> syntax is excellent and fits TW editing style very well. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding the non-printability. That is a known issue with that type 
>>>>>> of graphic rendering. I'm not sure that its easily fixable. The way I 
>>>>>> get 
>>>>>> round it if I need to print a Mermaid diagram is to take a screen 
>>>>>> capture 
>>>>>> save as a file and link to that image in the TW. Its too laborious a 
>>>>>> method 
>>>>>> for other than occasional use, but a work-around for limited cases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are right: looks like its been basically abandoned. Part of the 
>>>>>> issue is I think the author probably concluded that no one was 
>>>>>> interested. 
>>>>>> He has other good graphic tools that equally haven't got much notice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as I can see it needs a bit of tweeking -- one issue I 
>>>>>> sometimes encountered was getting the text to fit properly. But the core 
>>>>>> is 
>>>>>> there and functional.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as getting the plugin revised. I dunno. I don't have skill for 
>>>>>> that. Its a good tool so maybe in time interest to revisit it will grow?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>> Josiah
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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