All for diagrams and drawings! I find myself using a variety of tools 
though as lot of packages don't do things like dimensions/ line lengths or 
a centre line....I basically want AutoCAD LT but for .svg 
:) https://editor.method.ac/ does in a pinch for simple stuff.  Bizarrely 
PowerPoint has quite robust drawing and line animation features these 
days!...reads back...GANTT charts you say?!  where?

On Monday, 2 November 2020 at 20:25:23 UTC Sean Boyle wrote:

> It feels silly replying to myself, but...
>
> Some possibilities are:
>
>    - mxgraph - this is the basis for draw.io, which has a GUI, &c.  A GUI 
>    is not strictly necessary, but would be handy for some things - free
>    - JointJS - Seems to support the usual diagram types, including BPMN 
>    free
>    - yEd - I really like the layout options, being able to import SVG 
>    nodes.  It is free for any use, but if the underlying libraries (yFiles) 
>    are to be used, they have commercial licencing..
>
> The trick is finding someone with the chops to be able to integrate 
> something like one of these, then stick around to update from time to 
> time.  I get the impression that most people are not really interested in 
> diagrams to sit alongside the notes in a tiddler.  The closest thing so far 
> is viz and railroad, which are both rather limited.
>
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 9:26:00 AM UTC-7 Sean Boyle wrote:
>
>> Hi Victor,
>> Thanks for the reply!
>>
>> Yes, I tried out PlantUML (nice sequence diagram, btw).  I don't know if 
>> it is still that way, but it used to be that the drawing was pushed to an 
>> internet server for processing.  I'm more interested in something which is 
>> self-contained, especially since some of my diagrams could be considered 
>> sensitive, but in general I like self-contained solutions.  Some others 
>> which I have tried out are:
>> * Mermaid
>> * Graphviz
>> * Railroad
>> * Tidgraph
>> * edit in an external tool, render, and import the SVG (usually yEd)
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 6:54:19 AM UTC-7 Victor Dorneanu wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> there is also PlantUML: http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#plantuml
>>>
>>> I've used this for some proof-of-concept I was doing:
>>> https://tiddly.info/serverless#about
>>>
>>> KR, 
>>> Victor 
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 1:08:57 AM UTC+1 Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pinging this topic again.  It appears that diagramming plugins come, 
>>>> then are abandoned.  I have taken to using graphviz (viz plugin) and it 
>>>> works reasonably well (only a bit quirky) and if there were some 
>>>> reasonable 
>>>> ways of adding symbols for creating graphs such as flowchart, CORAS, BPMN, 
>>>> sequence, communication diagrams, it would fulfill 90% of my needs.  
>>>> Having 
>>>> said that, are there any efforts out there for incorporating lightweight 
>>>> graphing with extensible symbol sets, or diagramming?
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 2:00:59 PM UTC-7 Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I found that sequence diagrammes seem to copy / paste, but DAG and 
>>>>> GANTT do not.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 1:44:16 PM UTC-7, Sean Boyle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My workaround is to use the online editor: 
>>>>>> https://mermaidjs.github.io/mermaid-live-editor/#/edit/eyJjb2RlIjoiZ3JhcGggVERcbkFbQ2hyaXN0bWFzXSAtLT58R2V0IG1vbmV5fCBCKEdvIHNob3BwaW5nKVxuQiAtLT4gQ3tMZXQgbWUgdGhpbmt9XG5DIC0tPnxPbmV8IERbTGFwdG9wXVxuQyAtLT58VHdvfCBFW2lQaG9uZV1cbkMgLS0-fFRocmVlfCBGW0Nhcl1cbiIsIm1lcm1haWQiOnsidGhlbWUiOiJkZWZhdWx0In19
>>>>>>  , 
>>>>>> save as SVG, import to TW, and transclude.  That seems to work OK for 
>>>>>> copy/paste to other windows.  It does seem to be a problem for other 
>>>>>> graphical stuff, like railroad diagrams.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 4:39:51 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ciao Sean
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree that Mermaid for TiddlyWiki is good. Its simple plain text 
>>>>>>> syntax is excellent and fits TW editing style very well. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regarding the non-printability. That is a known issue with that type 
>>>>>>> of graphic rendering. I'm not sure that its easily fixable. The way I 
>>>>>>> get 
>>>>>>> round it if I need to print a Mermaid diagram is to take a screen 
>>>>>>> capture 
>>>>>>> save as a file and link to that image in the TW. Its too laborious a 
>>>>>>> method 
>>>>>>> for other than occasional use, but a work-around for limited cases.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are right: looks like its been basically abandoned. Part of the 
>>>>>>> issue is I think the author probably concluded that no one was 
>>>>>>> interested. 
>>>>>>> He has other good graphic tools that equally haven't got much notice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as I can see it needs a bit of tweeking -- one issue I 
>>>>>>> sometimes encountered was getting the text to fit properly. But the 
>>>>>>> core is 
>>>>>>> there and functional.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as getting the plugin revised. I dunno. I don't have skill 
>>>>>>> for that. Its a good tool so maybe in time interest to revisit it will 
>>>>>>> grow?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>>> Josiah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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