Birthe - Ive started a new thread on this tip to not derail David's thread.
On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 9:39:32 PM UTC-6 strikke...@gmail.com wrote: > @David > I used https://szenio.de/Grid/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2FJJ%2Fsidecontrols, to > have the tiddler controls vertical i the right side. Changed the stylesheet > a bit, to make them fit in size for the small frame - and only visible when > hovering. It works rather well, Hide the title and I can still use the > tiddler controls. But of course they will be placed in the the same size > and at the very top, no matter the other changes - title size and bigger > frame. > But I do not need to be annoyed by 2click2edit. To use that I think, we > must persuade Diego to share with us how it is done. > > Birthe > > tirsdag den 2. marts 2021 kl. 04.28.30 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford: > >> Hi Mat, this snippet hides the controls in edittemplate, thus not >> allowing me to save, close or delete tiddlers. I had to use the filter tab >> of advanced search to delete it. >> >> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:24:23 PM UTC-6 Mat wrote: >> >>> > My wish would be that default TWs would have the viewtoolbar invisible >>> and then visible on hover anywhere in the tiddler frame, and totally >>> disconnected from the title. But I am pretty sure that having separate >>> buttons to toggle titles and the viewtoolbar would require changing a bunch >>> of shadow tiddlers >>> >>> Just quickly; While the title and the toolbar are connected, their >>> visibility can be individually controlled with css. You can toggle this css >>> by e.g toggling the tag $:/tags/Stylesheet. Here's an example (not very >>> elegant but it works for your wish): >>> >>> .tc-tiddler-controls {visibility:hidden;} >>> .tc-tiddler-view-frame:hover .tc-tiddler-controls {visibility:visible;} >>> >>> <:-) >>> >>> >>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 3:31:22 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks all for the encouragement. >>>> >>>> @Mat - >>>> 1. Thin gaps and Hide gaps are two separate on/off toggles. They >>>> control two separate stylesheets. One adjusts between TW default gap and a >>>> thinner gap, and the other between the TW default gap and no gap. But the >>>> problem is that when one is on, the other is unavailable. At some point I >>>> may research how to do a button that cycles through several options. >>>> But as they stand, they conform to the idea that all of my buttons are >>>> on and off toggles. "Subtitle: on/off." "Thin frames: on/off" . "Small >>>> titles: on/off." Or: "What do you want to be visible in your TW?" Title, >>>> subtitle, thin frames, backlinks as transclusion, etc. That explains my >>>> labeling convention. CleanTids did have "Gaps btwn tids" but as you can >>>> see >>>> I deliberately changed it to match this labeling convention. Question of >>>> taste. >>>> >>>> 2. Yeah, tiddler titles...I didn't quite understand what you were >>>> suggesting, but here is what my thought process was: the viewtoolbar is in >>>> a sense bundled with the titles into a titlebar, and I have never liked >>>> that decision, because it makes styling titles more complicated. And now >>>> obviously it also decreases the value of hiding the titlebar. My wish >>>> would >>>> be that default TWs would have the viewtoolbar invisible and then visible >>>> on hover anywhere in the tiddler frame, and totally disconnected from the >>>> title. But I am pretty sure that having separate buttons to toggle titles >>>> and the viewtoolbar would require changing a bunch of shadow tiddlers, and >>>> might conflict with users' configurations, and would require updating the >>>> plugin with every update to TiddlyWiki. That is not something I wanted to >>>> do. I opted for the simpler solution of just letting people toggle the >>>> titlebar on and off. I figure no one is going to want to hide titles all >>>> the time, they are just going to do so for certain temporary uses. >>>> >>>> 3. I had a similar thought. I thought about a toggle for the seamless >>>> theme (rather than a white palette), but I decided instead to keep it >>>> clean >>>> and let the user decide the palette/theme with no nudging from me. >>>> Introducing a specific palette or theme makes this seem more like an >>>> edition and less like a plugin for helping others decide what they want. >>>> >>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 5:40:30 AM UTC-6 Mat wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nice David! Some ideas/opinions: >>>>> >>>>> The buttons in the sidebar are (seemingly!) a mix of toggles and >>>>> single value buttons. But they are really all toggles, which is not >>>>> clear. >>>>> For example, it IS clear that "Title" is a toggle because it is a single >>>>> button. But "Gaps btw tiddlers: Thin * Hide" appear to be two single >>>>> setting buttons but they are both the same toggle with different labels. >>>>> Because the results in the tiddler river is immediately visible, you >>>>> might >>>>> consider decluttring such buttons to only be a single toggling button >>>>> with >>>>> the description as its label. For that particular example this would mean >>>>> a >>>>> button with the label "Gaps btw tiddlers" (or perhaps "Tiddler gap" or >>>>> just >>>>> "Gap" perhaps next to static text saying: "between tiddlers") and the >>>>> button toggles between the values. >>>>> >>>>> In the same vein, instead of the label "Thin frames" it would make >>>>> more sense with "Frame thickness". Etc for a few other such toggles. I.e >>>>> using the name of the characteristics rather than the "value" of the >>>>> characteristics. >>>>> >>>>> Tiddler titles are often informative as headings, but not always. >>>>> There could be a small toggle next to each title to set a tag or a field. >>>>> Some stylesheet states that any tiddler with such a tag hides the title >>>>> row. >>>>> >>>>> Even when titles should be seen, the tiddler toolbar buttons should >>>>> probably not be visible unless hovered. >>>>> >>>>> A palette or theme of particular interest might be one where the page >>>>> background is white or perhaps just the river background is white, i.e so >>>>> the tiddlers seem to join. Maybe this special case warrants a direct >>>>> toggle >>>>> button? >>>>> >>>>> <:-) >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 12:13:10 PM UTC+1 TiddlyTweeter wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> *"I love you and want to have your babies".* >>>>>> >>>>>> My *real *message? Really that it is GOOD you go towards plugins for >>>>>> your contributions to TW. >>>>>> >>>>>> They work well, are wanted & used! >>>>>> >>>>>> Basically it is a Fixxgig moment <https://youtu.be/M1FCqDJMWgY> :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> TT >>>>>> >>>>>> David Gifford wrote >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, you read that right, I finally got off my bum and learned Tinka >>>>>>> and created my very first plugin. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/22e5c214-ac66-47b4-8e71-5162f3d4e9f4n%40googlegroups.com.
