@Mat,
Your solution works very well until the tiddler title is hidden, then we
miss the tiddler controls.
Birthe
tirsdag den 2. marts 2021 kl. 01.24.23 UTC+1 skrev Mat:
> > My wish would be that default TWs would have the viewtoolbar invisible
> and then visible on hover anywhere in the tiddler frame, and totally
> disconnected from the title. But I am pretty sure that having separate
> buttons to toggle titles and the viewtoolbar would require changing a bunch
> of shadow tiddlers
>
> Just quickly; While the title and the toolbar are connected, their
> visibility can be individually controlled with css. You can toggle this css
> by e.g toggling the tag $:/tags/Stylesheet. Here's an example (not very
> elegant but it works for your wish):
>
> .tc-tiddler-controls {visibility:hidden;}
> .tc-tiddler-view-frame:hover .tc-tiddler-controls {visibility:visible;}
>
> <:-)
>
>
> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 3:31:22 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Thanks all for the encouragement.
>>
>> @Mat -
>> 1. Thin gaps and Hide gaps are two separate on/off toggles. They control
>> two separate stylesheets. One adjusts between TW default gap and a thinner
>> gap, and the other between the TW default gap and no gap. But the problem
>> is that when one is on, the other is unavailable. At some point I may
>> research how to do a button that cycles through several options.
>> But as they stand, they conform to the idea that all of my buttons are on
>> and off toggles. "Subtitle: on/off." "Thin frames: on/off" . "Small
>> titles: on/off." Or: "What do you want to be visible in your TW?" Title,
>> subtitle, thin frames, backlinks as transclusion, etc. That explains my
>> labeling convention. CleanTids did have "Gaps btwn tids" but as you can see
>> I deliberately changed it to match this labeling convention. Question of
>> taste.
>>
>> 2. Yeah, tiddler titles...I didn't quite understand what you were
>> suggesting, but here is what my thought process was: the viewtoolbar is in
>> a sense bundled with the titles into a titlebar, and I have never liked
>> that decision, because it makes styling titles more complicated. And now
>> obviously it also decreases the value of hiding the titlebar. My wish would
>> be that default TWs would have the viewtoolbar invisible and then visible
>> on hover anywhere in the tiddler frame, and totally disconnected from the
>> title. But I am pretty sure that having separate buttons to toggle titles
>> and the viewtoolbar would require changing a bunch of shadow tiddlers, and
>> might conflict with users' configurations, and would require updating the
>> plugin with every update to TiddlyWiki. That is not something I wanted to
>> do. I opted for the simpler solution of just letting people toggle the
>> titlebar on and off. I figure no one is going to want to hide titles all
>> the time, they are just going to do so for certain temporary uses.
>>
>> 3. I had a similar thought. I thought about a toggle for the seamless
>> theme (rather than a white palette), but I decided instead to keep it clean
>> and let the user decide the palette/theme with no nudging from me.
>> Introducing a specific palette or theme makes this seem more like an
>> edition and less like a plugin for helping others decide what they want.
>>
>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 5:40:30 AM UTC-6 Mat wrote:
>>
>>> Nice David! Some ideas/opinions:
>>>
>>> The buttons in the sidebar are (seemingly!) a mix of toggles and single
>>> value buttons. But they are really all toggles, which is not clear. For
>>> example, it IS clear that "Title" is a toggle because it is a single
>>> button. But "Gaps btw tiddlers: Thin * Hide" appear to be two single
>>> setting buttons but they are both the same toggle with different labels.
>>> Because the results in the tiddler river is immediately visible, you might
>>> consider decluttring such buttons to only be a single toggling button with
>>> the description as its label. For that particular example this would mean a
>>> button with the label "Gaps btw tiddlers" (or perhaps "Tiddler gap" or just
>>> "Gap" perhaps next to static text saying: "between tiddlers") and the
>>> button toggles between the values.
>>>
>>> In the same vein, instead of the label "Thin frames" it would make more
>>> sense with "Frame thickness". Etc for a few other such toggles. I.e using
>>> the name of the characteristics rather than the "value" of the
>>> characteristics.
>>>
>>> Tiddler titles are often informative as headings, but not always. There
>>> could be a small toggle next to each title to set a tag or a field. Some
>>> stylesheet states that any tiddler with such a tag hides the title row.
>>>
>>> Even when titles should be seen, the tiddler toolbar buttons should
>>> probably not be visible unless hovered.
>>>
>>> A palette or theme of particular interest might be one where the page
>>> background is white or perhaps just the river background is white, i.e so
>>> the tiddlers seem to join. Maybe this special case warrants a direct toggle
>>> button?
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 12:13:10 PM UTC+1 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>>> *"I love you and want to have your babies".*
>>>>
>>>> My *real *message? Really that it is GOOD you go towards plugins for
>>>> your contributions to TW.
>>>>
>>>> They work well, are wanted & used!
>>>>
>>>> Basically it is a Fixxgig moment <https://youtu.be/M1FCqDJMWgY> :-)
>>>>
>>>> TT
>>>>
>>>> David Gifford wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, you read that right, I finally got off my bum and learned Tinka
>>>>> and created my very first plugin.
>>>>>
>>>>
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