I've been following your forms development w/ interest, Charlie -and this 
makes it all the more interesting- but i really think this idea of 
permalinks using createdate is much simpler, if indeed that attribute 
satisfies the 2 aforementioned criteria.  There is so much goodness in a TW 
instance that is title-dependent, i'm afraid that throwing some 
auto-generated code into the title would compromise its human-friendliness, 
if nothing else.  /w

On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 2:43:16 PM UTC+1 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> G'day walt,
>
> That is a huge pain point for me.  In my previous career, I relied heavily 
> on the ProjectForum Wiki to keep track of everything.  It did not use page 
> names in URL links, but rather used auto-generated unique identifiers.  So 
> I could change page titles to my heart's content, knowing that URL links 
> were always stable.
>
> My approach, still formulating it, is to edit tiddlers via custom forms.  
> The tiddlers have auto-generated unique identifiers stored in the title.  
> What would normally be the title goes in a field.
>
> That works fine right as-is for structured data.  I haven't looked into 
> setting up the formatting buttons (bold, italics, etc.) for formatting text.
>
> I think this could still work for you well if you have an easy way to 
> lookup tiddlers via a field instead of via title, and if you can overcome 
> that mindset change.
>
> On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 5:34:24 AM UTC-3 ludwa6 wrote:
>
>> The more i use TW, the more concerned i become about maintaining data 
>> integrity -and so this issue has boiled to the top of my queue: how can i 
>> continue to enjoy the benefits of TW (+ Relink plugin) flexibility, without 
>> compromising the integrity of Permalinks?  
>>
>> This feels like a deep problem that goes right to core TW architecture- 
>> since, as PMario explained in last thread 
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/kTrAbuneCkA/m/lAsdkriFAgAJ>, 
>> tiddler immutability is tied to its Title (so how can Relink even work, i 
>> wonder?)- but if i've learned anything here, it is to not underestimate the 
>> creative problem-solving ability of this group :-)... SO:
>>
>> From a non-technical perspective, what i'd like to do is have some 
>> immutable UID (based on date-time, or maybe date+ a serial number, like 
>> yyyy-mm-dd-serialnum) that is used for Permalinks (i.e. shared w/ the 
>> outside web that is not Relink-aware), but still have Title field and 
>> Relink plugin (and everything else for that matter) work just as it does 
>> now, from the TW editor's perspective.
>>
>> Is this a reasonable feature design goal, i wonder?  If so, i'd like to 
>> do what i can to help make it happen!
>>
>> /walt
>>
>>

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