Yakov, It is fine of course for us to disagree, personally I have been deeply involved in both versions, I think both have their idiosyncrasies and both can take some time to understand deeply. Its it not that I am against TWC, but more I am against promoting wholesale two versions, and naturally the back version can be de-emphasised for NEW users. All I am talking about is a degree of visibility. For example I would not complicate the Setup table with the same depth of detail for TWC as combining the two will make it almost unreadable for more than 80% of viewers, yes make TWC visible, yes make TWC its own table and lets even create a comparison table. The issue is both have their own suit of editions and plugins which to a large measure, define what each is capable of, so the comparison needs to map plugin equivalence to give a true picture, it would be wrong to shoehorn all this into one table.
Regards Tony On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 9:36:01 AM UTC+10, Yakov wrote: > > I don't understand why it's unwise to show both versions to new users. If > they feel that TW5 is better, they'll use it, if TWc fits their needs, they > can choose it instead. Moreover, I'm planning to attract new users to TWc > once it's good enough (I've made a local meetup to present TWc and > discussed up-to-date demands with a couple of users and can see some key > issues now). What I see wise is to make a dedicated updatable comparison to > show differences, advantages and disadvantages of both TW versions to help > users make a concious choice, isn't it? (including limitations of both TWc > and TW5 which are not frequently discussed, like SEO problems, load time, > performance issues etc) I can see no reason to hide the legacy (aside > additional efforts required for creating the full matrix). > > Best regards, > Yakov. > > четверг, 7 июня 2018 г., 1:53:30 UTC+3 пользователь TonyM написал: >> >> Yakov, >> >> We should not abandon TWC, and it should be mentioned in the TW5 table to >> indicate the cross compatibility of hosting solutions. However I believe >> TWC deserves its own matrix, and unwise to suggest to newbys to take that >> path, we have job helping new people learn TW5 apart from TWC. Though TWC >> should be supported by the community. >> >> Regards >> Tony >> >> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 7:12:17 PM UTC+10, Yakov wrote: >>> >>> While information on migration would be useful too, I don't think it's >>> unwise to show the TWc ecosystem (strictly speaking, its maintainance grew >>> this year considerably with one new version and MainTiddlyServer >>> <https://yakovl.github.io/MainTiddlyServer/> already released, and I >>> have plans for more) and diminishing user-base may be a self-fulfilling >>> forecast in this context (actually, those who join >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/tiddlywikiclassic sometimes say >>> that "wow, I was not aware of this group and new released stuff" although >>> the link is pinned on top in TiddlyWiki group). TWc still has some >>> advantages (like smaller size, simpler plugin development process, no >>> mobile-first-desktop-never desease and others) so it may have its own niche. >>> >>> I can certainly help with gathering information (or mostly sharing >>> already gathered info) and I think that the >>> >>> introduce TWC as a qualifying filter before the "Saver, Server, Service, >>>> Manager" >>>> >>> >>> approach would be much nicer (otherwise things link MainTiddlyServer >>> won't get a spot in the matrix at all). But it's up to you of'course. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Yakov. >>> >>> среда, 6 июня 2018 г., 4:28:10 UTC+3 пользователь TonyM написал: >>>> >>>> Mat, >>>> >>>> Whilst it would be nice to do this with TWC its options are very >>>> limited compared to TW5 (although there are still many) perhaps instead >>>> flag TWC in so far as does the "method" also support TWC as does >>>> TiddlyDesktop but redirect others to the TWC Discussion thread and >>>> information on Migration. I have just contributed to a thread on this here >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/tiddlywiki/L3p321qp7EU >>>> >>>> The truth is the future is with TW5 and although existing TWC users may >>>> benefit from this information, I think it unwise to promote TWC as an >>>> answer to someone entering the TW universe, for its reduced maintenance, >>>> reduced futures and diminishing user base. >>>> >>>> Further, I love your work here, I wanted to do something similar but >>>> are glad you have "taken this by the reigns", I plan to provide a >>>> community >>>> resource and Expect this reference work will be key. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Tony >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 2:29:17 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Guys, just quickly; I have been, and will continue to be, busy for a >>>>> few more days so difficult to work on this at the moment. >>>>> >>>>> But, regarding TWC on SetUp - sure, why not, if I can get some help if >>>>> it is much work with it. What I mean is; >>>>> >>>>> If it is merely a matter of adding TWC as one of the criteria (i.e the >>>>> top row) then it'd be easy-peasy. That would mean you click a name like >>>>> "TWC-compatible" and see which SetUps that fulfill this... and from those >>>>> identified SetUp-rows see what other criteria the respective SetUp >>>>> features. >>>>> >>>>> The more ambitious solution would be to introduce TWC as a qualifying >>>>> filter before the "Saver, Server, Service, Manager" and logically at that >>>>> level, i.e so that every listed SetUp will have to fulfill TWC and >>>>> whatever >>>>> of "Saver, Server etc" that is ticked. This is not difficult to do but a >>>>> little iffy. However, what I would need help with then is to have others >>>>> bring in potential SetUps that are TWC specific and, again, the data for >>>>> them. >>>>> >>>>> Another thought: >>>>> I think the site would bring more value if it could add more info >>>>> about individual setups. Obviously, not everything fits in the matrix and >>>>> even if I've added some comments in the respective SetUp-tiddlers, there >>>>> is >>>>> often good stuff found in discussions on the boards. So, it would be >>>>> useful >>>>> to somehow collect data such that can be added. I'm considering accepting >>>>> links to relevant discussions - or if someone other than me >>>>> curates/refines >>>>> info, then this could be added to the individual setups. (Oh, a project >>>>> like this would be sooo spot-on for TWederation!!!) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Again, please note I can't engage much in this for a few days. >>>>> >>>>> <:-) >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. 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