Mark

You've come to the right place - well, that is if you want to devote a significant amount of your life in the pursuit of ever-more accurate time and frequency measurements....

If you've only got one source then you need to use the frequency discriminator method (aka delay line method) of phase noise measurement. Basically you take the output of the source, split it in two, delay one of the signals, re-combine the two and then measure the resultant signal on a base-band spectrum analyser.

There are loads of references to this on the web, which describe the method in more detail, including :-

The Art of phase noise measurement - Dieter Scherer

and

HP Application Note AN270-2

both available from John Miles web site

www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/gpib/pn.htm

The references at the end of these articles, especially the HP ones, are particularly useful. The operating manual for the HP 11729B or 11729C Carrier Noise Test Set is also highly recommended.

Yes, there's some maths, you need to understand the relationship between phase and frequency measurements, but you don't necessarily need ALL the theory that most of the papers give - don't give up just because of a few differential equations :)

The limitation of the frequency discriminator method is that the noise floor of the measurement system is often worse than the DUT, especially if your DUT is very good, and it's even worse if you're trying to measure close-in noise. The Sherer article gives a good graph illustrating this. If you're trying to measure the phase noise of the oscillator inside a Tbolt then I don't think that a frequency discriminator will be sensitive enough, although I might be wrong.

Despite what you said, you might want to consider buying an HP 10811 oscillator or similar which you could use in a phase detector measurement system which is likely to give superior results.

Hope that helps

regards

Grant

Mark wrote :-

My new GPSDO leaves me with the question of "how do I measure the phase noise of what is by far the best oscillator I own... without buying a better one to compare it to". That question is what brought me to time-nuts. I'm starting to read some papers on oscillator characterization that are collected together in a technical note from NIST that a co-worker pointed me towards, but some of them are giving me a math-induced headache.

_______________________________________________
time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
and follow the instructions there.

Reply via email to