On 7/19/06, Jim  Guinee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

In find that conclusion ludicrous

Of course you do. But you're wrong. The underlying problem here is
that you're simply assuming that what religion promotes must be highly
moral. That's not the case.

My pastor once opined that Christians trying to legislate morality is not
effective, which is why the bible often did not try to get Christians to
overturn institutions such as slavery in any political or forceful manner.

Instead, you try to love people and convince them of a better choice.

Yes, I realize that sounds pretty dorky

You're ignoring the argument. The point here is that the religious
choice is not better, it's worse. In another post you wrote that
"religion is oppressive because religion exhorts you to be a better
version of yourself". But the religious oppression that we're talking
about here does no such thing. It exhorts you to follow shoddy "least
common denominator" morality with respect to sexuality. In fact most
of us are already better versions of ourselves than we would be were
we to follow fundamentalist religions.

I find it remarkably telling that a person who recently accused this
list of an anti-Christian bias is now sending messages like these.
There's quite a log in your eye, Jim.

Paul:
If you think you have a more concrete plan to make those miracles
occur then I'm sure that the rest of us would love to hear it. Keep in
mind that the divorce rate is high among the fundamentalist religious
groups most devoted to this model for sex and marriage

Jim:
Evidence, please?

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

Paul Smith

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