> I hate to confess I am enjoying this thread even as I wonder if it 
> has run its course. Clearly the main participants are unlikely to 
> convince each other, and, I suspect, anyone else beyond what's been 
> said. At some point maybe each should consider why they press on with 
> it. If it's to have a discourse, go for it. If it's to convince each 
> other, I don't see it happening. 

I'd like to see something that explores the psychology of the religious
person, or community, etc.

But I don't have anything more to contribute at this point, and don't plan
on it unless someone smarter than me can figure out how to move this
discussion in a more fruitful manner

JG

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