My favorite line: "In Australia -- where marijuana use is heavy among teens -- 
it's not uncommon for 20 to 30 per cent of new episodes of schizophrenia to be 
among patients who use marijuana daily or almost daily." So given the heavy 
marijuana use, how does this outcome compare to the baserate? If 20 to 30 per 
cent of teens smoke marijuana, wouldn't you expect a baserate of schizophrenics 
who smoke marijuana to be at least that high (no pun). 
 
Rick
 
 
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 8/28/2006 7:43 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: [tips] Re: Marriage as a cure for domestic violence



Remember this?

On 25 Aug 2006 at 10:54, I wrote:

> From the Christian Science Monitor for August 23, "Debate grows on
> out-of- wedlock laws" http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0823/p03s02-ussc.html
>
>
> "Christian activists say the state laws [forbidding cohabitation without
> marriage] are worth fighting for, but acknowledge that cohabitation is
> "part of the life we live now," says Brian Fahling, senior trial attorney
> at the American Family Association's Center for Law & Policy in Tupelo,
> Miss. One reason: Unwed couples are more than three times as likely as
> married couples to report incidents of domestic violence, reports the
> National Survey of Families and Households.
>
> "Our forefathers were wise, and such laws as the cohabitation law here
> in  North Carolina are really important for holding up moral standards,"
> says the Rev. Mark Creech, director of the Christian Action League.
> "Cohabitation simply imitates marriage, but without actually creating
> the  internal, the emotional, the moral and the legal structure that protects
> couples."

I never got around to giving my opinion on this post. Responders,
suitably provoked as intended, noticed that the Rev. Creech was jumping
to the causal  conclusion that marriage prevents violence from
correlational data.

No so, our TIPSters said, and provided a number of other possibilities
for the association,  including that the married may be less likely to
report violence, or that couples prone to violence are less likely to
marry  (Chris Lovelace's)_. In other words, that rather than marriage
preventing violence, violence prevents marriage.  Or, perhaps the
critical variable is religious commitment, not the act of marriage (Aubyn
Fulton's).  There are others. The one I'm partial to (we're talking a
data-free environment here,  of course) is that low socio-economic status
breeds both violence and a lack of interest in marriage.  It's not even
too far-fetched to suggest a genetic link, that individuals prone to
violence are also hard-wired to eschew marriage. And there are
undoubtedly many others not dreamt of in our philosophy.

But I guess it's all too tempting to take correlational data and jump to
the causal explanation which makes you feel the most righteous. One
question does occur to me, though. Do those who recommend marriage in
order to accrue all the internal, the emotional, the moral and the legal
benefits they claim flow from it also argue that these benefits bless
same-sex marriage as well? That gay marriage might actually be good for
folks? Or do the alleged protective benefits dissolve like the dew when
the union is between two men or two women?

And they're at it again, cause jumping from correlations. This time it
seems to be that cannibis causes schizophrenia. See
http://tinyurl.com/fbue5

And it's in a Canadian journal, for shame.

Stephen

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