That's good, because it doesn't actually make sense in a complex system (just 
like proportion of intelligence accounted for by genetics/environment doesn't 
make any sense either). 

I was just parroting what I had read many, many times before.

Best,
Chris
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Christopher D Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M6C 1G4

chri...@yorku.ca
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On 2012-08-15, at 9:55 AM, Paul Brandon <pkbra...@hickorytech.net> wrote:

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> Hi, Chris--
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> An example of the complexity of the science.
> Most of the current articles don't seem to talk about percent overlap.
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> Nature.
> 2012 Jun 28;486(7404):527-31.
> The bonobo genome compared with the chimpanzee and human genomes.
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> Pr=FCfer K
> , Munch K, Hellmann I, Akagi K, Miller JR, Walenz B, Koren S, Sutton G, =
> Kodira C, Winer R, Knight JR, Mullikin JC, Meader SJ, Ponting CP, Lunter =
> G, Higashino S, Hobolth A, Dutheil J, Karako=E7 E, Alkan C, Sajjadian S, =
> Catacchio CR, Ventura M, Marques-Bonet T, Eichler EE, Andr=E9 C, Atencia =
> R, Mugisha L, Junhold J, Patterson N, Siebauer M, Good JM, Fischer A, =
> Ptak SE, Lachmann M, Symer DE, Mailund T, Schierup MH, Andr=E9s AM, =
> Kelso J, P=E4=E4bo S.
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> Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, D-04103 Leipzig, =
> Germany. prue...@eva.mpg.de
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> Abstract
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> Two African apes are the closest living relatives of humans: the =
> chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes) and the bonobo (Pan paniscus). Although =
> they are similar in many respects, bonobos and chimpanzees differ =
> strikingly in key social and sexual behaviours, and for some of these =
> traits they show more similarity with humans than with each other. Here =
> we report the sequencing and assembly of the bonobo genome to study its =
> evolutionary relationship with the chimpanzee and human genomes. We find =
> that more than three per cent of the human genome is more closely =
> related to either the bonobo or the chimpanzee genome than these are to =
> each other. These regions allow various aspects of the ancestry of the =
> two ape species to be reconstructed. In addition, many of the regions =
> that overlap genes may eventually help us understand the genetic basis =
> of phenotypes that humans share with one of the two apes to the =
> exclusion of the other.
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> On Aug 14, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Christopher Green wrote:
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>> On 2012-08-14, at 11:25 AM, Paul Brandon wrote:
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>>>  On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:22 AM, Christopher Green wrote:
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>>>> On 2012-08-14, at 10:11 AM, Michael Palij wrote:
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>>>>> There a few papers causing a lot of discussion among researchers on the
>>>>> question of whether (a) humans and Neanderthals interbreed or (b) did
>>>>> not interbreed but date back to a common ancestor long ago.  What is
>>>>> also interesting is the role that peer review and the length it takes for
>>>>> scientific papers to get published.  There are a variety of sources on 
>>>>> this
>>>>> but this article highlights the role of peer review and publication lag; 
>>>>> see:
>>>>> http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/08/mating-with-neanderthals-is-off-again-on-again/
>>>> 
>>>> I love the sleight of hand implicit in the turn of phrase, "what our 
>>>> ancestors may or may not have done with Neanderthals" (at the end of the 
>>>> first paragraph). If ancient sapiens were "doing it" with Neanderthals, 
>>>> then the Neaderthals are every bit as much "our ancestors" as the sapiens 
>>>> are. 
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>>> 4% genetic overlap, I believe.
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>> Depends on how you count, Paul. Since we have something like a 99% genetic 
>> overlap with chimps, I'm guessing our genetic overlap with Neanderthals 
>> probably covers pretty close to 99% (96%, if you prefer) of the remaining 
>> 1%. 
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> Paul Brandon
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology
> Minnesota State University, Mankato
> pkbra...@hickorytech.net
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