Hi There is a difference between paying to have open access to a properly peer-reviewed paper in a respectable journal and publishing in a journal that will accept anything if you pay the fee. The trick is to discriminate between the two.
Perhaps easy to overlook, but the video does not use $ charges as a criterion for rejecting a journal. It mentions two criteria: (1) listing in a resource that libraries use to decide whether to purchase a subscription, and (2) impact factor. And it mentions some problems with the latter. So, I'm not sure that the video is insensitive to the points that Chris made or the subsequent discussion. Take care Jim From: Christopher Green [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 26-Jul-17 3:33 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [tips] Peer review video Miguel, It is true that PLoS ONE is $1500, but all the other PLoSes are $3000. It is also $3000 at APS journals and at Wiley (at least at my go-to journal there, JHBS). Frontiers in Psychology is $2500 for "A-type" articles. So, APA is not out of line at $3000. Chris ..... Christopher D Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada 43.773895°, -79.503670° [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://www.yorku.ca/christo orcid.org/0000-0002-6027-6709 ....................................... On Jul 25, 2017, at 5:36 PM, Miguel Roig <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Thanks for checking and reporting on this, Chris. Given that that amount is twice what it costs to publish in PLOS ONE (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/publication-fees), one wonders whether APA's open access approach it is worth the money. Miguel ________________________________________ From: Christopher Green [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:40 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Peer review video I was looking at APA's policies again just now. It looks like they will allow an author to make any article open access, but at a cost of $3000. Many researchers, of course, cannot afford this cost, even if they have a small research grant. Chris ....... Christopher D Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 43.773759, -79.503722 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> http://www.yorku.ca/christo On Jul 25, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Miguel Roig <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: Your point about 'open access' is a good one, Chris. But, my goodness, I was not aware about that submission criterion from the APA. Given the speed with which publishing is evolving toward a more 'open' format, I can't imagine that policy lasting too much longer. Miguel From: Christopher Green [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:11 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Peer review video Miguel, That is an interesting video, and it would probably be useful to undergraduates who don't yet quite know what a peer-reviewed scientific journal is. However, the narrator is about a decade behind the times when it comes to the prominence and importance of "open" journals these days. It is an issue - a series of issues - that is becoming more complicated by the week. Not only are there lots of prominent, respectable "open" (e.g., author-pays) journals now (all the versions of PLoS and, perhaps more controversially, the Frontiers series). A lot of the government research funding agencies have begun to bend to the argument that, if the public paid for the research (through government grants) then the public has a right to read it as well. (There are all kinds of problem with this argument, but it is getting traction where it matters - at the Cabinet table.) As a result, funding agencies across Europe (and in Canada) are beginning to insist that research supported by gov't funds be published in an "open" journal, or at least in a journal that will open a certain length of time after publication (e.g., 6 months, 1 year). Indeed, if you submit a paper to an APA journal now, there is a box asking whether your research was supported by a list of major international government funding agencies and, if you say "yes," APA will not allow you to submit your work, because APA never makes its publications "open." (Some "traditional" journals now allow the author to pay an additional fee in order to make the publication "open," but I don't think APA journals are among them... yet.) Best, Chris ..... Christopher D Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada 43.773895°, -79.503670° [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]>> http://www.yorku.ca/christo orcid.org/0000-0002-6027-6709<http://orcid.org/0000-0002-6027-6709> ....................................... On Jul 25, 2017, at 8:00 AM, Miguel Roig <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: An interesting video on peer review, predatory journals, and related issues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIlBsfTx3Kc. Although the discussion centers largely on climate science and biomedical sciences, I think it is a good resource for both graduate and undergraduate students for helping them discern legitimate science and scholarship from junk. Miguel --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]>>. 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