> On Jun 4, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Eric Rescorla <e...@rtfm.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 9:24 AM Russ Housley <hous...@vigilsec.com 
> <mailto:hous...@vigilsec.com>> wrote:
> Eric:
> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 6:07 PM Martin Thomson <m...@lowentropy.net 
>>> <mailto:m...@lowentropy.net>> wrote:
>>> I think that this is a useful erratum and it should be approved/HFDU.  The 
>>> extension to which this text alludes is RFC 8773, not post_handshake_auth.
>>> 
>>> Yes, although 8773 actually is not super-clear about post-handshake, so 
>>> that's actually something we should clarify there.
>> 
>> RFC 8773 is not intended for post handshake.  So, I never thought about 
>> that.  What is the use case you are considering?
>> 
>> I don't have one. I'm just trying to make sure things are clear. perhaps an 
>> erratum on 8773 to make ultra clear?
> 
> I do not find it unclear.  
> 
> I am looking at 5.2 which seems like it could be more precise.
> 
>  
> What do you have in mind?
> 
> Changing:
>    TLS 1.3 does not permit the server to send a CertificateRequest
>    message when a PSK is being used. This restriction is removed when
>    the "tls_cert_with_extern_psk" extension is negotiated, allowing
>    certificate-based authentication for both the client and the
>    server. To: TLS 1.3 does not permit the server to send a
>    CertificateRequest message when a PSK is being used. This restriction
>    is removed when the "tls_cert_with_extern_psk" extension is
>    negotiated, allowing certificate-based authentication for both the
>    client and the server.
> 
> To:
>    TLS 1.3 does not permit the server to send a CertificateRequest
>    message when a PSK is being used. This restriction is removed when
>    the "tls_cert_with_extern_psk" extension is negotiated, allowing
>    certificate-based authentication for both the client and the
>    server. To: TLS 1.3 does not permit the server to send a
>    CertificateRequest message when a PSK is being used. This
>    restriction is removed for the main handshake when the
>    "tls_cert_with_extern_psk" extension is negotiated, allowing
>    certificate-based authentication for both the client and the
>    server. This extension has no impact on external PSK usage
>    with post-handshake authentication, which is prohibited by
>    TLS 1.3.

This works for me.  I wonder if "initial handshake" would be better than "main 
handshake"

Russ


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