On Thu, Apr 09, 2026 at 11:14:07AM +0200, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > Having read [6] [7] [8], I completely fail to see how these emails are > any more “disruptive” than many others I’ve seen on the list and which > have resulted in no repercussions, including emails from the (now > former, thankfully) AD Paul Wouters.
There is a saying about law that when you have the facts, you pound the facts, when you have the law, you pound the law, when you have neither, you pound the table. DJB is pounding the table. Not that it's not worth pounding on the table, but that once it becomes clear it's not a winning argument, you've made your point and let it be. (In court, of course, there is a hard limit to how much you can pound anything. But we're not in court.) That footer he attaches to his posts could easily be rephrased as a a complaint of how the WG chairs and the IESG have treated his complaints and appeals but without saying the thing he's been told cannot be said on posts to mailing lists, namely this: | This document may not be modified, and derivative works of it may not | be created, and it may not be published except as an Internet-Draft. Why leave it in the form that gets his posting rights moderated or removed? (If the list archives started being modified, that would be truly outrageous. To my knowledge no one has alleged as much, and it hasn't happened. That footer wouldn't prevent such an outrage either, so what purpose does it serve?) IMO it was necessary to pound the table for a bit about the dangers of pure PQC. And if done pragmatically that should have (and still could!) led to those documents being published with a useful and notable warning about the risks. IMO it was also necessary to pound the table about the risks of TLAs gaming SDOs to promote possibly-weaker-than-we'd-like cryptography, especially given the Dual_EC debacle. But there is no more to be gained from pounding the table, and we're going deaf from it. That footer ultimately serves to distract from this point. Yes, the WG chairs and the IESG are overstating the distastefulness and inappropriateness of that footer, too. They are being much too clumsy in that regard. My advice to them is to ignore it. But it's possible that it would be more difficult to stop the table pounding, so maybe it's just as well that they are being clumsy about it. Nico -- _______________________________________________ TLS mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
