----- Original Message ----- 
From: gbthomas8...@sbcglobal.net 
To: bgunny7...@aol.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TMIC] stem cell (OT?)


Gunny and Debbie,
Thanks for the information which I did not mean to ignore.  Sorry to imply all 
research is with aborted fetuses.  My point still is that,  adult stem cell 
research should not be looked upon as inferior to fetal stem cell research 
when, in fact, to my knowledge, adult stem cell research has been successful.  
As is often the case, politics often becomes a major issue.  

My point also was to defend President Bush's decision to not support the 
embryonic research with tax dollars since, in my opinion, it was morally 
questionable and, secondly, not necessary for stem cell research.  

I'll end my comments at this "embryonic" stage of the discussion before I get 
in deeper than my limited knowledge and intellect can go but I wanted to 
express what bit of the subject I am aware of and believe in.
Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
  From: bgunny7...@aol.com 
  To: gbthomas8...@sbcglobal.net 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [TMIC] stem cell (OT?)


  In a message dated 3/25/2009 11:06:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
gbthomas8...@sbcglobal.net writes:
    Our former president, George W. Bush, so direspectfully referred to on this 
list as "dumdum," was simply against the use of our tax money for embryonic 
stem cell research in consideration for those opposed, on moral grounds, to the 
use of aborted fetuses. Stem cell research  was not stopped.  It has widely 
been proclaimed  (even on this "list") that adult stem cell research has 
actually been more successful than embryonic cell research
  Not necessarily aborted fetus's. Embryonic stem cells can be grown in a petri 
dish simply by marrying a male sperm with a female egg. It has nothing to do 
with an abortion at all. Adult stem cells have already been programmed, which 
are taken from an adult human, to make that persons body. When taken, they are 
cleaned by a process known as plasma pheresis, then reinjected into that same 
person. An embryonic stem cell has NOT been programmed to make anything yet. It 
can be coaxed to do so where an adult cannot. An embryo is considered just that 
because it does not become a fetus until it is infused with blood. That process 
doesn't happen until twenty eight days after conception, and, it has no brain. 
Taking that into consideration, it is not alive. It can become so if implanted 
into a female uterus, but not until. So, in all actuality, it just sits in that 
petri dish doing absolutely nothing. I hope this gives you better insight as to 
what an embryonic stem cell is.

  Gunny


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