Sure I would consider treatment from non hESC sources.

As for the funding act that was signed into law. No funds in this act (which funds everything in the government between now through Sept 30, 2009) may be used for "embryos for research purposes" or " research in which a human embryo or embryos are destroyed, discarded, or knowingly subjected to risk of injury or death" (which is what happens when stem cells are removed from an embryo)

It then defines the term "human embryo" as any organism that is derived by fertilization or any other means from one or more human gametes or human diploid cells. (the egg and sperm are human gametes). That would exclude the so called "leftover" embryos from federal funded research.

So just 2 days after having a big ceremonial signing of his executive order to allow federal funding he signs a bill that restricts the funding once again, at least through the end of the fiscal year.

At 08:18 PM 3/25/2009, Lawrence King wrote:
Jim,
I do respect your beliefs and your extensive knowledge regarding stem cell research. I'm guessing you would consider treatment derived from adult lines but might decline so called embryonic lines. I'm sure we'd all be relieved if adult stem cells turned out to be the best solution after all.

As for the Omnibus Appropriations act I admit my BFA degree doesn't help me understand the legal language used in such bills. Could you interpret it in common language?


Mindy the Artist

On Mar 25, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Jim Lubin wrote:

I know I am in the minority in my believes, but I do not believe in IVF that creates embryos to begin with. If these embryos were not being created to then there would be no so called "leftover" embryos.

Are you aware that President Obama signed H.R. 1105, the "Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009," on March 11th (2 days after signing the executive order to lift the ban on federal funding of embryonic stem cells) that contained the following:

The text of Section 509 of the Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009, reads as follows:

SEC. 509. (a) None of the funds made available in this Act may be used forĀ­(1) the creation of a human embryo or embryos for research purposes; or (2) research in which a human embryo or embryos are destroyed, discarded, or knowingly subjected to risk of injury or death greater than that allowed for research on fetuses in utero under 45 CFR 46.204(b) and section 498(b) of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 289g(b)). (b) For purposes of this section, the term ''human embryo or embryos'' includes any organism, not protected as a human subject under 45 CFR 46 as of the date of the enactment of this Act, that is derived by fertilization, parthenogenesis, cloning, or any other means from one or more human gametes or human diploid cells.

Guess he should have READ the "Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009 before signing it into law...

I followed the link on <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/FY2009OmnibusAppropriationsActPublicReview/>http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/FY2009OmnibusAppropriationsActPu blicReview/
to see if it was true, sure enough, it's in there

<http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/2009_Con_Bill_DivF.pdf>http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/2009_Con_Bill_DivF.pdf

If you want to read it yourself, pg 128, lines 9 - 24. there are 2 pages inserted so it is page 130 of the pdf.


At 05:25 PM 3/25/2009, Lawrence King wrote:
whether you consider them blastocysts or babies, the couples who conceived them have already made the decision that they will never be born and have a meaningful purpose outside the petri dish. I truly believe the "parents" should have the right to decide the fate regarding the use of their unused fertilized egg's stem cells as well.

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