Assuming Tomcat subproject plan, Tomcat 5 basically consists of Catalina
2.4, Jasper 2.0, and it requires JDK 1.4 according to JSP 2.0 PFD.
However, you still have choices laying stacks as you want for your
mission. 

any possible Jasper (or even none) 
-------------------------------------------------- --> mandates only
common JDK requirement.
any possible Catalina (necessary)

IAS

Indepedent Java Technology Evangelist
http://www.iasandcb.pe.kr

Jakarta Seoul Project Coordinator
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-----Original Message-----
From: Henri Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:20 PM
To: Tomcat Developers List
Subject: Re: JSP 2.0's J2SE 1.4 Requirement


Costin Manolache wrote:
> iasandcb wrote:
> 
> 
>>Now it's almost clear that SRV 2.4 requires JDK 1.2 and JSP 2.0 does
>>JDK 1.4. The main issue is discrepancy of J2SE requirement between SRV

>>2.4 and JSP 2.0, which are supposed to come up together.
> 
> 
> Actually, it isn't.
> 
> All we know is that the current draft has this requirement. We should 
> find a proper procedure ( for example a vote on tomcat dev ) and then 
> ask our representative in JCP ( Geir for example - he's a very nice 
> person ) to request a change.
> 
> I don't know what's the proper mechanism yet - but Apache does have a
> representative and a vote, and we should have a way to have the 
> opinion of tomcat-dev expressed.
> 
> If the final JSP2.0 will require 1.4 - then we'll have to do that. It
> would be very unfortunate ( especially for jsp people ), and will 
> require ( IMO ) a separate tomcat without JSPs.
> 
> My opinion ( and it seems a lot of people have the same opinion ) that

> portability ( in the sense of beeing able to run on most OS and 
> platforms ) seems to agree with what Apache is doing in most projects 
> ( Apache server runs on more platforms than java - and did that even 
> before 'write once, run everywhere'). We should first explore the 
> alternative for having this opinion confirmed ( vote ? ) and expressed

> in the expert group.
> 
> If the EG prefers features over portability - then we need to find a 
> way to create a distribution without JSP ( is this possible ?) and 
> maybe compensate by including cocoon or velocity.

+1 here .

If Tomcat 5 require JDK 1.4, I'll have to stay with Tomcat 3.3.x or 
4.1.x on my Linux and iSeries productions boxes.

Could we imagine alternatives ?

- Tomcat 5 using Serlvet 2.3/JSP 1.2 ?

- Tomcat 5 using Servlet 2.4 and JSP 1.2 ?

- Tomcat 5 using Servlet 2.4 and JSP 1.2 or JSP 2.0
   depending the JVM found at runtime ?

- Tomcat 5 bundled without JSP 2.0 ?

- Tomcat 5 bundled with velocity or tea instead of JSP 2.0 ?

I'm afraid that making JDK 1.4 mandatory for Tomcat 5 (or JSP 2.0) will
delay for a long time its adoption by companies, until all platform got
JDK 1.4, which means for example that people which use IBM SDK on Linux
or mainframes systems will have to wait up to the end of year ad minima.





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