Upon 4/8/02, todd tredeau saith:

> I completely disagree with you. I am NOT a programmer, and pretty easily 
> figured out the BASIC installation, ie:unzip/expand and run. Is it 
> possible this is a case of No Planning, or Not Reading the ample 
> documentation, How many unanswered questions have you posted?  

I think there's some interesting things in this topic. Even "unzip/expand and run" has 
problems (like on Mac OSX if not using gnutar). The docs really are ample, but they 
are intimidating to someone not used to Java.

Nevertheless, I'm a newbie to setting something like this up, and I'm running just 
fine. This list has been very helpful!

BUT, think about this... in Árni we see someone who possibly didn't read the docs, or 
only skimmed them, and still with *his* install habits was a) not able to install 
Tomcat, and b) *was* able to install PHP. Two different outcomes from two different 
server-side technologies that are often compared side-by-side. Both are developed 
freely.

There is a momentum behind PHP where people write more tutorials, offer more full 
solutions as freeware (blogs, calendars, etc.). PHP's ease of installation may in part 
help it's adoption, and grow the community, and provide more resources, which helps 
it's adoption...etc...

I know there are big differences and best uses for the different technologies, but an 
awful lot of server-side technologies are never used to the point of maximizing their 
characteristic benefits.

>From the 'I just want to download and see if I like it' perspective, Tomcat does 
>suffer a bit, IMO. Also in the available solutions (which I think are great learning 
>tools and in some cases complete solutions).

Maybe I just don't know where to look.

Ken Martin

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