I actually think what most scares people from opensource is this "it's free, do not complain" attitude... But I agree that the way this guy is writing is offensive. Well, although I get worried when someone with 20 years of experience can't install some RPMs, I think it's time to stop this thread. This list already clutters my inbox, and this is getting dumb.
On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 11:46, Hamilton, Andrew wrote: > You know what really bothers me about this whole thread: Tomcat is free. > What right does anyone have to complain about free stuff? That's like > complaining cause someone gave you free beer but it said Generic on the > label. It might not go down as smoothly but the effect is the same. I > setup Tomcat without problems in minutes. But then again I read the docs. > It was a challenge to get through some of them but I managed to do it. Me, > I only have 8 years of experience as a developer and systems admin. All > that experience must be doing something to the guys brain like turning it to > mush. I'm a serious advocate of open source in all its guises and I do > appreciate this list and the help I get from it. Fortunately I don't have > to ask many questions because mostly I can search the archives and someone > has asked it before me and gotten the answer. So for my part I want to > thank you all. > > Regards, > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: Turner, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:33 AM > To: 'Tomcat Users List' > Subject: RE: I donīt understand the objective of this open list ! > > > > You're forgetting that Tomcat is a reference implementation. Nobody is > positioning it as a be-all, end-all commercial solution. > > If you use JRUN, you are tied to Macromedia forever. You automatically lose > portability, you automatically lose customer base because there are many > tech-savvy customers out there who are very aware that the same > functionality can be had for free, you automatically lose the ability to > adapt the product to your needs, and you automatically put the > responsibility for the security of your company's (and your customers') > intellectual property and proprietary information into the hands of a > third-party company that a) has no fiduciary responsibility to you, your > customers, or your company (read Macromedia's EULA), and b) is driven solely > by profit. Talk about a house of cards. > > So, if you'd like to abdicate all of that responsibility in return for a > nicely bound paperback book with icons and a table of contents, and a nice > installer that does things to your system in a fashion that prevents you > from ever finding out exactly what it did and why, then by all means > purchase JRUN or any other product. Don't make the bogus jump from that > decision process to a decision process that leads you to believe that JRUN > is better just because it has documentation. > > Your 20 years of technical experience sure hasn't helped you with your > reasoning, logic, and deduction skills. Perhaps a Critical Thinking class > at the local community college would be beneficial. > > BTW, if you'd like to pay me $1000 (same price as JRUN), I'll write the best > documentation you've ever seen, and even put it into a nice little book for > you. But then, that would be proving how ridiculous your posts, reasoning, > and assumptions are, and I have a feeling you're not that dumb. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 7:37 PM > > To: Tomcat Users List > > Subject: RE: I donīt understand the objective of this open list ! > > > > > > Notice that I didn't ask a question JOEL BERGMAN (are you a Jakarta > > developer). I simply chimed in when someone else expressed > > dissatisfaction with this list. I have been disappointed and > > frustrated by the **** that is called documentation. I stopped > > trying to get tomcat to work properly over a year ago. Recently I > > looked into it again, and noticed little to no improvement. > > > > Note that my background is technical, with over twenty years of > > building commercial quality software. I don't believe in a lot of > > pie-in-the-sky ideals in terms of software development. I rate > > software on three important criteria: does it do what it is intended, > > can it be used easily, and is it maintainable. > > > > In terms of tomcat, I give it a grade of incomplete on all three of > > the above. I can not tell if it does what its supposed to because I > > can't get it to work with a reasonable amount of effort. > > > > Here if my contribution to Jarkata and people looking for a low cost > > Java solution. Use JRUN (discalimer: I am not affiliated with > > Macromedia in any way). It is under $1000 and includes a full J2EE > > implementation (JSP, servlets, EJB). It looks like the installer > > does all the stuff that mod_jk, mod_jk2, and mod_web are supposed to > > (if anyone could get them to work). A development version is > > available for free. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Mike DiChiappari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:37 PM > > >> To: Tomcat Users List > > >> Subject: Re: I donīt understand the objective of this open list ! > > >> > > >> > > >> I know the reason for this list - at least as it applies > > to Jakarta. > > >> It is meant to address the complete lack of adequate documentation > > >> for tomcat. > > > > > >Are you volunteering to write some, Mike DiChiappari? That > > is how things > > >get done: someone DOES them. > > > > > >If you don't know enough, you could skim the mailing list looking for > > >questions, finding out when they were answered to the questioner's > > >satisfaction, and using that as your source material. > > > > > >Or do you just want answers to YOUR questions? > > > > > > --- Noel > > > > > > > > >-- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- Felipe Schnack Analista de Sistemas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cel.: (51)91287530 Linux Counter #281893 Faculdade Ritter dos Reis www.ritterdosreis.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fone/Fax.: (51)32303328 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
