Wow Roger, people jammed repeaters for the autruistic reason of saving amateurs from themselves? Let me give you two other more likely reasons for this and why people belittle FT8 (the first of which you allude to in your email):
1. "I had to do it the hard way, so should you" ; and 2. They were/are concerned their achievements would be somehow be diluted. These arguments were no doubt also used when the CW requirement on HF was dropped and SSB took over from AM. I find it incredibly sad the tolerance on this list is such, people felt they had to set up a new reflector to discuss a 160m topic. Whatever happened to the delete key? I am also reminded of a quote from the late physicist Stephen Hawking: "Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change." 73 Mark ZL3AB It's easy to appreciate why many people - who are passionate about the hobby - get upset about some of the things they see as being very negative to the hobby. Here in Britain there were LOTS of well-respected Amateurs who were actively involved in Jamming the VHF Repeaters when they first came on the air in the 1970s. I would never have done such a thing, but I appreciated why those people were concerned about it having a negative effect on the hobby. People could now not bother to put up a decent antenna for 2m, yet work stations 50 miles away. However, most new amateurs that did that very quickly got bored with the hobby, as there was no sense of achievement, no reason to self-improve . . . and disappeared off the air. Those that got the satisfaction of working stations further away through their own efforts were usually the ones that sustained interest in the hobby. (It's interesting that there is almost NO activity on the various Repeaters here in Britain these days . . . which kind of confirms my point!) I think it's the same logic that many of us apply to the computer-based modes/protocols . . . that there is no skill involved, and so no real sense of achievement, like there is when puling a really weak DX station out of the noise . . . with the result that those people will very soon lose interest in the hobby. So those of you who are so keen on them, please at least understand our motives . . . it's because of our passion for the hobby that we are against these computer-based modes . . . in the same way as I personally am against VHF Repeaters or accessing remote Transmitting or even Receiving sites. Roger G3YRO _________________ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector