> Why don't you program a webbased email frontend like gmail without
javascript?
Is that supposed to be some kind of joke? Until just around a decade ago, no
webmail system required JavaScript. Heck, Gmail still doesn't require
JavaScript to use webmail AFAIK, and there are other services with Webmail
that doesn't require JavaScript. Riseup.net (my host) is one of them! You
might as well challenge someone to write a program that edits text files.
> In a CMS they also expect a handy image uploader that can handle drag and
drop, maybe allowing you to sort the uploaded images via drag and drop and so
on.
"Drag and drop" is not a job or functionality. It's an aesthetic.
Drag-and-drop just for a file upload will usually work, no JavaScript
required, because it's already a feature of the Web browser. Why don't you
try turning JavaScript off and dragging a file to the "Browse" button for
attaching a file on this very website? It works. Here, I've attached
something to this post that way.
Drag-and-drop for sorting things? That can be achieved just as easily with
standard inputs. Buttons, for example, or to order things more quickly, a
bunch of listboxes indicating new desired positions (one next to each item)
and a "submit" button. In that case it's not quite as convenient, but still
possible.
> I'm pretty sure that the only reason you never heard "a single example" is
because you always refuse to accept those examples as valid ones.
No, no example I have been given has ever been one where I couldn't either
point to an example of a website that achieves the desired outcome without
JavaScript, or conceptualize a very obvious alternative solution to the same
problem.
For aesthetic reasons, I can see the point in making use of JavaScript. But
aesthetic reasons are no excuse for requiring JavaScript. You can use your
pretty JavaScript code for drag-and-drop sorting and put a fallback JS-free
version using standard inputs behind a noscript tag. And aesthetic reasons
are not a valid reason to suggest that JavaScript embedded into Web pages is
a necessary feature.
