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Hi Mike, I sort of quit TROM for now. I got stuck in level four. So let's say I am at level three. And I am using time breaking on a regular basis. I like it. David. On 13-Jan-10, at 1:56 PM, Mickel wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > Hi David > Thanks for the acknowledgement. > I can see 3D visual images but only if I do some form of meditatation, > cool > the thinking mind but what those images are I have not a clue. > In my normal state if I bring up an incident or scene from the past I > can > see it but I can't see it, mad hey? I just know where everything is, I > don't > see the details of it all and as I said I just view whatever arises and > that's enough, then it's gone, no need to trawl through it. > That image contains all I need to know, obviously I cannot do that with > heavy pain or unconsciousness but seems to work for me at the level of > confront I am at. > Maybe there are screens, blackness or mass between me and the picture > but > certainly I have noticed many times when I have read about how people > see > mental image pictures I always have this anomaly come up to do with > the way > I view past images. > Anyway, never mind, I expect it will all come out in the wash, I will > keep > on with the Level 2 and see if I make a breakthrough, as I reported > earlier > things do seem to becoming a little more solid in these past things I > bring > up. > > More in line with Trom I am reading a book at the moment about what > they > call Holographic time by someone called Christopher Westra, I bought > the > ebook ages ago but have not got around to reading it yet. > It's about how it is possible to view the world in a holographic way > instead > of a linear way. > Very interesting. > > How you getting on with Trom, are you still having any trouble I think > you > mentioned something about that. > Best > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Pelly" <dpe...@execulink.com> > To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <trom@lists.newciv.org> > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:13 PM > Subject: [TROM1] 3 Items. > > >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >> ************ >> >> >> Hi Mike, >> >> I made a mistake on the other letter. I clicked send instead of delete >> when I wanted to cut some of your letter. >> >> Any way I acknowledge your mail. >> >> It is interesting on how you don't see pictures. >> >> I think Ant is the same. >> >> David >> >> >> On 13-Jan-10, at 6:59 AM, Mickel wrote: >> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >>> ************ >>> Hi David >>> Yes a very good procedure, I think it has something to do with >>> completing a >>> goal, Start, Change, Stop, which then boosts morale and brings the >>> person >>> into PT, negative mind stuff drops away and the person feels much >>> better and >>> can start to originate their own goals. >>> >>> I have of course noticed this many times in my life before as I am >>> sure most >>> people have, that when you complete some task they feel better >>> afterwards, >>> but I have never thought much about it. >>> As I said it was only a couple of months ago when I had some reactive >>> mind >>> junk move in on me that it came to my attention. >>> >>> I was actually doing the contacting MEST objects process when I >>> noticed the >>> large mirror in my room needed cleaning and it only took a few >>> minutes >>> paying attention to detail and all the mind crap just dropped away, >>> so >>> I >>> thought at that time it might be a useful process to include if I >>> encountered any nasty reactive stuff while using Trom. >>> >>> I am off to do a bit of research into visualisation at the moment, I >>> have a >>> bit of confusion here somewhere. >>> I believe L Ron Hubbard did some research into this area in the early >>> 1950s >>> and I have some books about this which I have not read for a couple >>> years >>> and I have come across this subject on the internet by a few people, >>> here is >>> what I am talking about. >>> >>> Keeping this as simple as I can, there are 3 Universes, The Physical, >>> the >>> mental or mind universe (Mental image pictures) and the Spiritual >>> Universe. >>> >>> The physical and mental universe contain mass and time, the spiritual >>> universe is different, it does not contain time. >>> >>> The spiritual Being makes an intention and the creation exists >>> instantly, it >>> is not a mind thing, so my bit of confusion is something I came >>> across >>> many >>> times when I was studying Scientology. >>> >>> Each time I read that when I look at some item from the past that is >>> a >>> mental image picture stored in the mind, that is where I had the >>> confusion >>> and I have never forgotten it because each time I read that I had a >>> disagreement. >>> >>> That! is not how I see past incidents, I cannot explain how I know or >>> see >>> incidents from the past, I never have been able to explain it, I just >>> know I >>> am not looking at a picture stored in the mind. >>> >>> Also, I am not able to have processes like Dianetic procedures run on >>> me >>> because I just see and know instantly, the idea of running over and >>> over an >>> incident finding more and more detail is not how my mind works, I see >>> the >>> whole and then it's gone and then I am keyed out, there is no >>> timetrack >>> then, there is just present time or Now and things, goals to be >>> achieved. >>> >>> So, I have written this up best as I can and I shall go and find that >>> data >>> concerning the difference between a mind mock up and a spiritual mock >>> up. >>> Best >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David Pelly" <dpe...@execulink.com> >>> To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <trom@lists.newciv.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:26 AM >>> Subject: [TROM1] 3 Items. >>> >>> >>>> ************* >>>> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >>>> ************ >>>> Hi Mike, >>>> >>>>> >>>>> A couple of months ago I discovered a method that gives me a key >>>>> out >>>>> in a >>>>> very short time, a matter of minutes and that is to find a little >>>>> job >>>>> to do. >>>>> >>>>> Something like cleaning a mirror, doing the washing up, sweeping a >>>>> floor but >>>>> instead of doing these jobs rapidly as I would normally do I pay >>>>> full >>>>> attention to what I am doing, take a bit of care with attention to >>>>> detail, I >>>>> don't have to go over the top, you know, not become obsessive about >>>>> it, just >>>>> take care. >>>> >>>> >>>> I think that is excellent. I call that practical TROM. >>>> >>>> I do the same in scientology. Instead of using book and bottle >>>> on >>>> a >>>> handi capped ( severe abuse case ) guy that lives in the same house >>>> as >>>> I do, I get him to do things. clean house, make a pie, fix the car, >>>> plant a garden, what ever is possible at the moment. >>>> >>>> David >>>>> >>>>> I know the idea of RI is to replace negative stuff a person has >>>>> discharged >>>>> with more positive items a person mocks so I am wondering if this >>>>> process I >>>>> am using will also do the trick, having completed a little job >>>>> like I >>>>> have >>>>> described, any anxiety, mass, whatever has completely gone and I >>>>> feel >>>>> whole, >>>>> that is the best way I can describe it. >>>>> Anyway, if you feel inclined let me know what you think about my >>>>> use >>>>> of that >>>>> process. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, the result of all this is to make sure Level 2 is complete >>>>> before >>>>> going on to 3. >>>>> Best >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Trom mailing list >>>>> Trom@lists.newciv.org >>>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Trom mailing list >>>> Trom@lists.newciv.org >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- >>> --------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.136/2616 - Release Date: >>> 01/12/10 >>> 07:35:00 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> Trom@lists.newciv.org >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> David >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> Trom@lists.newciv.org >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.138/2618 - Release Date: > 01/13/10 > 07:35:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > Trom@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > Best regards, David _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
