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Jurgen, Thats for posting this. It appears that if this was a thread that was going on privately, and you posted it here. What ever the case, there are a few points of it that I really liked. Is the parenthesis quote beginning with "Logic is the science of reason." from the TROM book? If so, where? Can you give me the location, please? I get the idea and a slight urge to reread the TROM book again, after a two or three yr hiatus. David From: jurgen_t...@hotmail.com To: trom@lists.newciv.org Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:04:02 +0200 Subject: Re: [TROM1] Hubbard on the facts of life ************* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org ************ > He says, . I only mention it here because > of the fact that as games become progressively more compulsive with a > being his behavior becomes progressively more illogical. Also his regard > for the subject of logic itself steadily lessens, until he eventually > considers the subject to be both useless and incomprehensible. Thus, a > person in a highly charged games condition will have a terrible time > trying to study logic; he will endlessly burn the midnight oil trying to > grasp even its most fundamental axioms, then, failing, will refute the > whole subject." This datum is so true that you can use it in life to identify the state people are in.What i have seen in individuals is that they seem to avoid logic to still get the thing/goal that they are after, no matter what. Seems that importance makes theneed to 'reason' obsolete. In many ways the above is kind of scary if you follow the drift. -Jurgen > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:24:57 +0200 > From: msfos...@mweb.co.za > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Hubbard on the facts of life > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > On 20 June 2012 04:12, Glen Strathy wrote: > > Notice too how he presents his bald-faced opinion as if it were fact - > > thus avoiding the need to present any real facts. > > Hi Glen - very true. > > The "normalized"Hubbard's logic was bound up in expansion of the Church. > > He rejected classical logic and persuaded his followers to also reject > classical logic and accept his Data series. > > The result was that he used ad hominem (Appealing to personal > considerations (rather than to fact or reason) in many of his "sermons" > > He used positioning in the same way politicians use it. > > The PTS/Sp, and Ethics tech is filled with ad hominem and similar > fallacious statements which his followers slavishly follow. > > You will notice that Dennis promotes "Logic" and explains why some > reject Logic. > > He says, "Logic is the science of reason. I only mention it here because > of the fact that as games become progressively more compulsive with a > being his behavior becomes progressively more illogical. Also his regard > for the subject of logic itself steadily lessens, until he eventually > considers the subject to be both useless and incomprehensible. Thus, a > person in a highly charged games condition will have a terrible time > trying to study logic; he will endlessly burn the midnight oil trying to > grasp even its most fundamental axioms, then, failing, will refute the > whole subject." > > Martin > > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > Trom@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > He says, "Logic is the science of reason. I only mention it here because > of the fact that as games become progressively more compulsive with a > being his behavior becomes progressively more illogical. Also his regard > for the subject of logic itself steadily lessens, until he eventually > considers the subject to be both useless and incomprehensible. Thus, a > person in a highly charged games condition will have a terrible time > trying to study logic; he will endlessly burn the midnight oil trying to > grasp even its most fundamental axioms, then, failing, will refute the > whole subject." This datum is so true that you can use it in life to identify the state people are in.What i have seen in individuals is that they seem to avoid logic to still get the thing/goal that they are after, no matter what. Seems that importance makes theneed to 'reason' obsolete. In many ways the above is kind of scary if you follow the drift. -Jurgen > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:24:57 +0200 > From: msfos...@mweb.co.za > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Hubbard on the facts of life > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > On 20 June 2012 04:12, Glen Strathy wrote: > > Notice too how he presents his bald-faced opinion as if it were fact - > > thus avoiding the need to present any real facts. > > Hi Glen - very true. > > The "normalized"Hubbard's logic was bound up in expansion of the Church. > > He rejected classical logic and persuaded his followers to also reject > classical logic and accept his Data series. > > The result was that he used ad hominem (Appealing to personal > considerations (rather than to fact or reason) in many of his "sermons" > > He used positioning in the same way politicians use it. > > The PTS/Sp, and Ethics tech is filled with ad hominem and similar > fallacious statements which his followers slavishly follow. > > You will notice that Dennis promotes "Logic" and explains why some > reject Logic. > > He says, "Logic is the science of reason. I only mention it here because > of the fact that as games become progressively more compulsive with a > being his behavior becomes progressively more illogical. Also his regard > for the subject of logic itself steadily lessens, until he eventually > considers the subject to be both useless and incomprehensible. Thus, a > person in a highly charged games condition will have a terrible time > trying to study logic; he will endlessly burn the midnight oil trying to > grasp even its most fundamental axioms, then, failing, will refute the > whole subject." > > Martin > > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > Trom@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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