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Pete,
Where did you get that the sequence of the chart with 1 and 3 on the left side and 2 and 4 on the right side has to be changed (rotated) in order to get opposition. To get opposition, one only has to go diagonally across the chart, and thus get sensation. To get sensation, including sexual sensation, one would have diagonal flows of 1 and 4, or 3 and 2. They have to do a dance (reciprocation/vacillation) between 1 and 4 and 3 and 2 to have orgasm. Dennis stated that one should be able to do and be on all 4 postulates, and that 'being only male', or 'being only female' is cross packaging, because the thetan is neither male nor female. To state that a thetan is male or female is an invalidation to the thetan, as he is neither. Aarre On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Pete McLaughlin < pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > > Hi Paul and Svoboda > Thanks for the responces. They got my brain working again. > > Here is what i have come up with so far. > > the normal to sex goals package has male and female complementing each > other. > > 1. must sex 3. must be sexed > > > by making females and males opponents in a game we move the female > postulate to the opponents position and the negative female postulate to > the complementary position. > > 1. must sex 3 must not be sexed > > 2. must not sex 4 must be sexed > > This is by definition a cross package as 1 and 3 are not exactly > complementary. > > Does this look like a correct interpretation of Dennis' statement that: > > "As a male, he soon starts to get opposed to females, and vice-versa. > Very soon he is in a terrible state on the subject, for the two genders are > not intrinsically in opposition to each other. > > You end up with a classic case of cross-packaging. We find the male > desperately asserting his masculinity, while heavily suppressing any > feminine characteristics in his personality, and vice-versa for the female. > The whole subject soon takes on the quality of a nightmare, and becomes one > big unsolvable problem. And it stays this way until the being regains his > full freedom of choice to occupy, at will, any one of the four classes > available to him on the subject." > > IF so then on any goals in life if you make what should be a complementary > postulate into the opposition postulate in a game you are cross packaging. > > > > Keep on TROMing > Pete > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Paul Tipon <pti...@proftitleserv.com> > *To:* trom@lists.newciv.org > *Sent:* Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:19 AM > *Subject:* [TROM1] Cross Packaging? again > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > Hi Pete, > > After reading further, I see that I may have muddied the waters a little > more. With the following definition here is what I see. > > On Jan 23, 2013, at 11:44 AM, trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org wrote: > > > OK > > Here's the definition of cross packaging. it doesn't apply so Dennis > misspoke in the TROM manual. > > > > > > Cross-packaging > > When a junior package is not erasing cleanly the most common fault is > that the package is not a true package. This is known as > > cross-packaging. It is one of the 'deadly' sins. When two or more > junior packages are crossed up into one package neither of the packages > will erase and the whole mish-mash just grinds on forever. The therapist > who tries to resolve a man's drinking problem by addressing his infantile > sex life is guilty of cross-packaging. This is why the 'therapy' goes on > forever with no relief for the patient. > > The packages are not the little differences that exist between the sexes, > male to female or female to male but the fact that male is different than > female and vice versa. So it is not the differences that exist between a > male and a female but the simple fact that male is different than female > and female different than male. To heck with all the differences thereby > derived, it is that male is not female and female is not male. > > With two separate things which are not the duplicate of the other, there > will always be a difference. To then go into all the differences that one > can spot between the two sexes will not address the basic. So one can > process out all of the differences that they can find between sexes and > totally miss the basic. The basic is that one sex is not the other. > > So if one then processes on those differences between two items, one may > miss the fact that there is an opposition and games condition because there > are two different things, not that there are two or more differences in > sexual characteristics. Basically not being able to see the forest for the > trees. Processing out all the different trees and all of their differences > between each other will not process out the opposition terminal of the > forest. Just process on 'the forest'. As in Dennis' sample, process > alcohol not "infantile sex life". A person may give you or you yourself > may give yourself housekeeping as the opposition subject when it is really > male vs female or female vs male and nothing more non-esoteric than that. > > I believe Dennis calls this 'Cross-Packaging' as all crossed or mixed up > and not addressing the correct item. > > Paul, Level 5 in progress > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > Trom@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > Trom@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >
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