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I sure like these replays.
Very intelligent and helpful reading for the most part. Many of the guys of that era were much more intelligent, much more advanced beings than those of today. It just occurred to me that they were from the first group of people to join scn in the 50s and 60s. That is before scn got increasingly taken over by the crazies in the 70s and on. In the beginning many much higher toned and much higher theta beings got into scn, before it got such a bad reputation as now, where no self respecting person would come near it. That probably explains why many of the people that posted on these replays are so much more intelligent. David On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 6:56 AM, The Resolution of Mind list < trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > ************ > > Sent Saturday 17th of September 2016 > by ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk (Antony Phillips) > > This is an incidental, parenthetical, note. This Trom list now has put > into its header (subject) the word "[TROM1]". To the very best of my > knowledge it is the first Internet list ever run about TROM. At a later > time to or three other lists came up with TROM in their title. I must admit > I was a bit annoyed about that and "combated" it by adding the numeral "1" > to the title. That is a story, and is perhaps a bit of an anachronism to > still have it there (but that is not my hat any longer!). > > Note that this is a resend of a message sent some years ago, and some data > (like addresses) is liable to be inaccurate. > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - - - > > > Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:10:53 +0100 > From: Antony Phillips <i...@post8.tele.dk> <i...@post8.tele.dk> > Reply-To: i...@post8.tele.dk > Organization: International Viewpoints > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) > To: tro...@newciv.org > Subject: TROM: Replay B62 > > -- > Ant Antony A Phillips > i...@post8.tele.dk > tlf: (+45) 45 88 88 69 > Box 78 > DK - 2800 Lyngby > Editor, International Viewpoints (= IVy). See Home Page: > http://home8.inet.tele.dk/ivy/ > Administrator: trom-l, selfclearing-l, superscio-l, IVy lists > > > To: "TROM LIST" <tro...@newciv.org> <tro...@newciv.org> > Subject: TROM & Scientology > Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:47:50 +0200 > > NOTE: This message is targeted at those who have a basic understanding of > Scienetology, If you don't and just are interested in TROM, pls ignore, and > continue what you are doing. > > So, only the curious and {ex} Scientyologist are left right... :) > > When I read Trom, about 2 months ago, it HIT, I cognited it was written > from > a higher Q than Scientology as it is currently applied, went up-the-pole. > and I had a new, much simpler model to evaluate life. > > >From what I have found so far, it obviousely does not have the same > efffect > on everybody who reads it. > > Which is an interesting effect. > > As far as I can see, Ron's model does free a being from part of his case if > applied, but at the same time traps the being in a whole lot of his > opinions. > > Evaluating these opinions against the TROM model easely blows them. > > EXAMPLE: "Production is the basis of morale" > > This is typically a "Must Be Know" statement. "Consumption is the basis of > morale" is equally valid of course, and even "No Production" and "No > Consumption" are a basis of morale. > > Scientology seems to slanted towards the "Must Be Know" postulate for the > PC, > staff member and source, and the "Must Know" postulate for the Auditor, C/S > etc. > > When you look at it that way, all CoS troubles are part of the 3-d "TROM > CASE". > > All beings trapped by the CoS could be freed to the next level when we find > out a way to process the 3-d TROM CASE of the CoS. > > So, for those that have a purpose of getting all those beings 'untrapped' > it > would be nice to find a way to apply TROM to the CoS 3-d (or any 3-d for > that matter). > > Anyone on the list care to do some research in this direction? Anyone has > some ideas as to how to aproach this? > > > Honzo Svasek == random...@null.net > > "Axiom 81: Sanity consists of optimum randomity" > - from the Dianetic Axioms by L. Ron Hubbard - > > > > From: Randy Nicholson <b...@best.com> <b...@best.com> > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: Nori Avidan <nor...@netvision.net.il> <nor...@netvision.net.il>, > "tro...@newciv.org" <tro...@newciv.org> <tro...@newciv.org> > <tro...@newciv.org> > Subject: Re: SelfClear: Re: FW: Request for Help on Clearing path > > Yes Nori, > > Its well worth it, I would do it and hope to one day. Maybe using the > TROM manual or the english > dictionary as the materials being studied. It is or was a SCN course > package at one time and I am not > sure if it is still offered. I would not be allowed to do it through the C > of SCN but have enough > information having done the student hat course to get me going. > > All the best to you . > Randy Nicholson > > > Nori Avidan wrote: > > > Hi Randy, > > > > Thank you for the quotes. > > Does it worth the effort according to your opinon & experience ? > > > > Nori > > > > ---------- > > From: Randy Nicholson[SMTP:b...@best.com] > > Sent: ýSunday, October 18, 1998ý ý5:14 AMý > > To: Nori Avidan > > Cc: 'family-l'ý;ý 'fza-l'ý;ý 'selfclearing-l'ý;ý 'Allen' > > Subject: Re: SelfClear: Re: FW: Request for Help on Clearing path > > > > As defined in the SCN Tech Dictionary : > > > > PRIMARY RUNDOWN, 1. the PRIMARY RUNDOWN consists of word clearing and > study tech. It makes a > > student super-literate. 2. Consists of method one word clearing and > method 8 on study tapes and > > STUDENT HAT. > > > > Method 1, is word clearing with a meter in session done by a trained > auditor. > > > > Method 8, is an action used in the Primary Rundown where one is > studying study tech or where one > > is seeking a full grasp of a subject. Its end product is a > super-literacy. Usually an alphabetical > > list of EVERY word or term in the text of paper, a chapter or a recorded > tape is available or > > provided. The person looks up each word on the alphabetical list and > uses each one in a sentence > > until he has the meaning conceptually. > > > > Method 8 is a MAJOR rundown and the results are nothing short of > fantastic. It does require allot > > of self determinism to get through it from what I understand. > > > > Nori Avidan wrote: > > > > > Hi Randy, > > > > > > Thank you for the information. According to Allen's and yours answers, > It looks like I probably > > > miss appreciated the target of the effort required from me during the > student hat course. > > > I'll will try to fix that. > > > > > > By the way does anybody has more details about the mentioned Primary > RD ? > > > > > > Nori. > > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Randy Nicholson[SMTP:b...@best.com] > > > Sent: ýSaturday, October 17, 1998ý ý4:39 AMý > > > To: Allen > > > Cc: Nori Avidaný;ý 'fza-l'ý;ý 'selfclearing-l'ý;ý 'trom-l' > > > Subject: SelfClear: Re: FW: Request for Help on Clearing path > > > > > > Nori, > > > > > > I have not done the Primary RD but I would recommend it to anyone. I > have > > > friends who have completed it and can't say enough about it. It is a > major > > > action and the Student Hat course will get you started. English is THE > language > > > of this planet and I also recommend you work on it as well. You have > some extra > > > work to do with your english barrier. Word clearing got me moving in > life and > > > with my own clearing. It was not just to help me study better but more > of a > > > case gain type of action. Don't discount it on your route to clearing. > If you > > > have the opportunity at some point then do the Primary RD too if its > still > > > available.. > > > > > > One thing I can say about the Academy is that there are other > students, course > > > supervisors and word clearers to help you along in the beginning when > its > > > needed most. So if you still have the Academy opportunity open to you > then use > > > it now. > > > > > > This planet could be considered a prison planet but it does not have > to be that > > > way for yourself . I have come and gone many times but I would like to > see > > > others be able to do the same as well. > > > > > > I wish you well. > > > Randy Nicholson > > > > > > Allen wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, Nori, > > > > > > > > This is in addition to my one earlier direct response. I'm making it > > > > public because I believe you've touched upon something of imort to > > > > everyone. I am not on all the lists in this email's recipient list, > but > > > > I'm willing to have some of it not go through. (Anyone, replies and > > > > arguments should be sent directly to me if you want to be sure I see > them.) > > > > > > > > When I did the Superliterate training (The Primary Rundown), I > realized > > > > that it was literacy that underlies clearing. If you can't label > things, > > > > whether in a clay demo or in a session, you can't get a handle on > them. > > > > And you can't get clear. Or you won't stay clear. > > > > > > > > Another really important point, one that can be taken as offensive, > but > > > > please don't: English is THE language of clearing. > > > > > > > > We live on a prison planet, kept from recovering ourselves by > artificially > > > > imposed conflicting cultures, religions and languages. We are kept > in > > > > confusion and violently, politically or socially at war among > ourselves, so > > > > as to be a self-suppressing populace and require the minimum of > outside > > > > policing and control. > > > > > > > > Ron never said so, but I will: We came here as a project team, and > the > > > > FIRST item in the establishment of clearing was the creation of the > English > > > > culture, and then the American when the English couldn't get past > the petty > > > > politics and religions of Europe. The United States was founded > with the > > > > correct form of government and the correct language for all that has > > > > happened good in the world since 1789. We, the mission officers and > > > > members, working all over the world but primarily here in the US, > have > > > > either caused or inspired and protected all that is good in the > world we > > > > now have. > > > > > > > > NOTE! I am saying nothing good here about the American government. > The > > > > sitting authority bears little resemblance to the proscribed > structure. > > > > Things have drifted. That's why we're in trouble. In the world, > and in > > > > clearing. That's the big time crunch Ron sometimes alluded to. > > > > > > > > But we can pull it off. We must work hard in the US to correct the > errors > > > > of "public policy" (itself _not_ a US constitutional concept!) And > we must > > > > work hard to have and teach the correct tech. English is the > support tool > > > > of design. So, yes, part of the study materials was to quietly > force the > > > > learning of English, without saying so, so as to avoid an insult and > > > > argument. Truth be known, English is much the language as where we > trained > > > > for this mission. It wasn't invented here, and it is not merely a > cultural > > > > phenomenon or social accident. > > > > > > > > As a side note, but a relevant one, this is part of the hidden > agenda so > > > > many people felt and feel, and object to. That's why I don't hide > it, > > > > because to have a hidden agenda means that you can't even say that > it is > > > > honorable in the end. You can't admit it exists. Thus you leave > yourself > > > > open to well-founded suspicion. So, I say, let's be open, tell the > truth > > > > and admit the entire package, and let the upsets be transient as we > stay > > > > the course to freedom. > > > > > > > > The Primary Rundown was invaluable to me in recovering my identity. > > > > Whether the Key to Life course is enough of the same thing I don't > know, > > > > and whether you should continue inside the Co$ is a decision to be > made by > > > > you alone. Use my Reservation Standing Procedure if you have > difficulty > > > > doing that. > > > > > > > > All the best, I'd like to hear how it goes. > > > > > > > > -0- > > > > > > > > -5 Reservation Disoriented and paralyzed by indecision; held back > > > > by uncertainty or turmoil; uncommitted. > > > > > > > > Statistical Indicator: Erratic, with a > > > > discernable downward trend. > > > > > > > > Objective: Make a commitment. > > > > > > > > 1. Evaluate your intentions and objectives relative > > > > to yourself. > > > > 2. Evaluate your personal statistics in terms of > > > > your performance to date in pursuing your > > > > intentions and objectives. > > > > 3. Confirm for yourself what your standards are for > > > > the life and activities with which you desire to > > > > involve yourself. > > > > 4. Review your alternatives. > > > > 5. Evaluate the actual worth and/or intentions and > > > > activities of the alternative(s) you are > > > > considering. > > > > 6. If the alternatives in question are entities > > > > with which you are considering alliances, > > > > examine their statistics and principles, etc., > > > > and compare them to your own. > > > > 7. Decide, on the basis of consistency with your > > > > own standards and the broadest benefit across > > > > your domains, whether an alternative should be > > > > neglected or pursued. > > > > 8. Select the alternative which best meets or most > > > > exceeds your standards, compares most favorably > > > > with your standards overall, and is also most in > > > > alignment with your life goals, principles and > > > > purposes. > > > > 9. Reject the selection you have just made if it > > > > doesn't really meet your standards and alignment > > > > criteria, and drop back to step 4, remembering > > > > to look for additional alternatives. > > > > 10. Develop and adopt an acceptable self-image of > > > > proactive involvement with the chosen > > > > alternative(s). > > > > 11. Announce your decision appropriately to any > > > > legitimately interested parties. > > > > 12. Take immediate action to establish a firm and > > > > ethical foundation for success with respect to > > > > the alternative(s) upon which you have decided. > > > > a. If your decision in doing this procedure has > > > > resulted in your reaffirming an already > > > > existing alternative, and if having wavered > > > > from it (or having gone through this process > > > > to confirm your commitment) has lowered your > > > > standing in that position, determine your new > > > > standing and follow its procedure, then work > > > > on up through the appropriate procedures and > > > > get your position repaired. > > > > b. If your decision in doing this procedure has > > > > resulted in your reaffirming an already > > > > existing alternative but going through this > > > > renewed decision process has not lowered your > > > > status, work on up through the procedures > > > > from your current standing and continue to > > > > move forward to success. > > > > c. If your decision in doing this procedure has > > > > resulted in a new project, pursuit, or > > > > position, apply the Commencement procedure to > > > > that activity. > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > Allen, Speaker | spea...@asc.org > > > > ASC Missions Group -0- http://www.asc.org > > > > Articulate Management | http://www.artman.com > > > > > > ** > > > This message sent to the list selfclearing-l which forwards to > > > Internet news group alt.clearing.technology > > > The list is for those engaged in using the Pilot's self > > > enlightenment book "Self Clearing". 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