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Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:17 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Carnality
Amen, Terry. Now you are getting somewhere. J Izzy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 4:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Carnality
Thank you Bruce. I appreciate your effort. There are questions that
remain, but maybe only the Lord has the answer. Like, how long can a
Christian remain carnal? Why would a Christian want to be carnal? If the
carnal Christian can only be identified as a Christian by his or her
statement of faith, and is otherwise no different than the lost person, why
did Jesus say, "you are mine IF you keep my commandments?" If his or her
works are burned up and he or she has no works, how can they have faith
without works?
It's a good thing my entrance into Heaven does not depend on having all the
answers.
Terry
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From: "Bruce Woodford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 12:37 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Carnality
> Hi Terry,
>
> You wrote:"Paul says in one place, "To be carnally minded is death", but
in
> another place, he speaks of carnal Christians."
>
> I think the two texts of which you speak are Romans 8:6 and I Cor.3.
>
> First of all, I think we would be wise to notice the facts that Paul
states
> in I Cor.3 relative to the Corinthian believers whom he calls "carnal":
> (1)They are "brethren" and "babes in Christ" v.1
>
> (2)There is envying strife and division among them and they walk "as men"
> i.e. as natural men or unconverted men. v.31
>
> (3)They believed on Christ as a result of the preaching of Paul and
Apollos.
> v.5
>
> (4)They were God's husbandry and God's building. v.9
>
> (5)They could build works of gold, silver, and precious stones which would
> not burn when tried by fire and which would be rewarded, or they could
build
> works of wood, hay and stubble which would be burned up when tried by fire
> and such would suffer loss. Those whose works will be burned up will be
> saved, but their works will be destroyed. v.12-15
>
> (6)They, with all other believers compose the temple of God and the Spirit
> of God dwells in them. v.16
>
> (7)If any man DEFILES the temple of God, him will God DESTROY. Both of
> these are the same original word which is translated "corrupt" in every
> other place it is used in the KJV.
>
> (8)All things are theirs! v.21,22
>
> (9)They are Christ's and Christ is God's. v.23
>
> With these things in mind, let us go back and seek to discover what "to be
> carnally minded is death" indicates.
>
> It is very clear that it does NOT mean:
> - that such will lose their salvation!( See #5 above) nor
> - that Christ disowns them (See #'s 1,2,4,6,8 and 9 above).
>
> But it is also very clear that it DOES mean:
> -that such are immature (See #1 above),
> -that the behaviour of such is like unconverted men and not children
of
> God (See #2 above),
> -that there are eternal consequences for carnality:
> - works will be burned up
> - reward will be lost (See #5 above)
> -God will corrupt or mar those who defile the temple
of
> God by building with the wrong
> materials. (See #7 above)
>
> Since "death" in scripture always designates separation, from what is one
> who is "carnally minded" separated?
>
> (1)While he walks after the flesh in a carnal manner:
> - he is separated from fellowship with God. (See I John 1:6,7)
> - he is separated from enjoying what mature believers enjoy, he
is
> only able to bear "milk" and
> not the "meat" I Cor.1:1,2
> -he is separated from the opportunity to be used as a vessel of
> honour. See II Tim.2:19-22
>
> (2)For eternity:
> -he will be separated from his works which were done in
carnality!
> His works will all have been in
> vain... whatever works were done while he was in a carnal
state
> will be burned up.
> I Cor.3:12-15
>
> I hope that meditation upon these truths of scripture will be helpful to
you
> and clarify issues over which many have been confused as a result of false
> teaching and failure to give heed to what scripture actually SAYS!
>
> Your brother in Christ,
> Bruce
>
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