[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> David Miller wrote:
> Judy wrote:
> Do they have the freedom to make this choice and is this freedom
> basically God-given. Does God allow people to fail?
>
> dm: Yes, of course. Who would argue otherwise? God allows people to
> choose to sin.
>
> DAVEH: Why do Protestants believe God allows men to fail? What is the
> purpose of allowing failure/sin? Just curious.....
>
> jt: He didn't create puppets, he made man in His image for the purpose of
> fellowship and since He is a God of love and holiness. His image would
> have reflected the same. However, they were tested and did not pass the
> test.
DAVEH: For what purpose were they tested? Wouldn't it have been 'better' had the
Lord just bound Satan forever, and prevented Adam/Eve from being expelled from the
Garden? For what reason do Protestants think God would allow the Devil to
thwart/disrupt
his plans? Do Protestants see any 'value' in sin or failure to be Godlike?
Put in another way, if God knew the outcome before he placed Adam/Eve on Earth,
then why do you think he let the 'fall' unfold as it did? I assume Protestants do not
think the 'fall' was planned by God......??? IF he foresaw it, then does it not
seem likely that it was a part of his 'plan'?
> Eve was deceived and Adam chose to go with the woman, so they got
> what they chose and were evicted from His garden. God does not
> fellowship with devils but in His foreknowledge he knew this was coming
> and had made a way back from before the foundation of the world and the
> way back to fellowship with the Father is in Christ.
DAVEH: That seems rather convoluted IF he did not intend the 'fall' to be part of
his/our reason for being here. Does this not suggest that he wanted Adam/Eve to fall?
IF your answer is yes, then my question is 'why' would he want that......? And IF
he wants us to fall, does that not imply there is a good reason for the 'fall'? Does
that make sense, Judy?
> You can see failure in the lives of men who God said were his friend and
> after his own heart. Abraham had fear which caused him to lie to king
> Abimilech. God said David was a man after his own heart and yet David
> was guilty of murdering a woman's husband.
DAVEH: I'm not quite sure I'd agree with your assessment on that one (I believe he
put him in "harm's way", which is a bit different than murder), but that is a tangent
we don't have to pursue in this thread.
> God considered Moses his
> friend and Moses was unable to enter the promise land because of anger.
>
> Judy
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