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> From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > David Miller wrote: > Judy wrote: > Do they have the freedom to make this choice and is this freedom > basically God-given. Does God allow people to fail? > > dm: Yes, of course. Who would argue otherwise? God allows people to > choose to sin. > > DAVEH: Why do Protestants believe God allows men to fail? What is the > purpose of allowing failure/sin? Just curious..... > > jt: He didn't create puppets, he made man in His image for the purpose of > fellowship and since He is a God of love and holiness. His image would > have reflected the same. However, they were tested and did not pass the > test. DAVEH: For what purpose were they tested? Wouldn't it have been 'better' had the Lord just bound Satan forever, and prevented Adam/Eve from being expelled from the Garden? For what reason do Protestants think God would allow the Devil to thwart/disrupt his plans? Do Protestants see any 'value' in sin or failure to be Godlike? Put in another way, if God knew the outcome before he placed Adam/Eve on Earth, then why do you think he let the 'fall' unfold as it did? I assume Protestants do not think the 'fall' was planned by God......??? IF he foresaw it, then does it not seem likely that it was a part of his 'plan'? > Eve was deceived and Adam chose to go with the woman, so they got > what they chose and were evicted from His garden. God does not > fellowship with devils but in His foreknowledge he knew this was coming > and had made a way back from before the foundation of the world and the > way back to fellowship with the Father is in Christ. DAVEH: That seems rather convoluted IF he did not intend the 'fall' to be part of his/our reason for being here. Does this not suggest that he wanted Adam/Eve to fall? IF your answer is yes, then my question is 'why' would he want that......? And IF he wants us to fall, does that not imply there is a good reason for the 'fall'? Does that make sense, Judy? > You can see failure in the lives of men who God said were his friend and > after his own heart. Abraham had fear which caused him to lie to king > Abimilech. God said David was a man after his own heart and yet David > was guilty of murdering a woman's husband. DAVEH: I'm not quite sure I'd agree with your assessment on that one (I believe he put him in "harm's way", which is a bit different than murder), but that is a tangent we don't have to pursue in this thread. > God considered Moses his > friend and Moses was unable to enter the promise land because of anger. > > Judy -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.