Dean Moore wrote:
> DAVEH: Like it suggests.......it is that which is NOT in the Bible thatDAVEH: IMO Dean, you have forgotten what it means to love your neighbor if you think waving your neighbor's underwear in his face as you mock his religious beliefs is Christian charity.
causes guys like you
> to stumble, Dean.%% So what you are saying is if I live by the words of the Bible-which
words are Jesus's- I will stumble and go to hell DaveH. That is the only
conclusion one can draw from this statement Dave. Which words in my Bible
will cause this effect -Is it too Love the Lord thy God with all thy
might-or is it to Love thy neighbor as myself-or is it too repent of sin? I
would like an answer too this question Dave.
> > And of course the Mormon Lying Prophets are kind enough to add backDAVEH: I respectfully disagree. For the most part, that which I post in TT is taken from the Bible. And I've always tried to give Biblical references as opposed to Latter-day references.
the thing that are taken away-
>
> DAVEH: Correct (except for the "Mormon Lying Prophets" bit that you use
in an attempt to incite anger)......as related in Acts 3:19-22......%%No Dave- I am not trying to anger you-nor am I angry-I am simply
telling you the truth-those words you speak are lies and are in fact
against the Bible-
and I am too tell you so as directed by God-and in doingDAVEH: I don't quite know what your problem is, Dean. I believe in the birth, death, resurrection and divinity of Jesus. By your standards, does that not qualify me for salvation? What more do I need to do to be saved, according to your understanding of the Bible, Dean????
so if you get angry I cannot help that nor will I coddle your sin.
> "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted
out, when the TIMES OF REFRESHING shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send
Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive UNTIL THE
TIMES OF RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets
since the world began."
>
> .......Dean, I submit to you that our Temples are one of those THINGS
which has been restored as prophesied.
DAVEH: "UNTIL THE TIMES OF RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS......." It's in the Bible, Dean. Don't you believe what the Bible says about the "restitution of ALL things"????
%% By who's prophecies Dave ? Did Jesus make this prophecy? Are these
Prophecies even in the Bible-if so show me.
%% Dave if the power of salvation depended solely on my representation ofDAVEH: OK Dean. Below you referred to the thief on the cross and implied that he was saved without baptism. I will use the Bible to explain the error of your understanding of that incident.
myself then I would be God-I am not God so what I represent is his Word-I
preach that Word and the Word does the healing. Now if you can show me
where my words are wrong-by the Bible ( not just some book that some nut
wrote) then I will consider your case.
I wonder how John the Baptist wouldDAVEH: No, as far as I know the thief had not yet been baptized. But I believe that is what the early Christians were doing who were referred to by Paul in 1Cor 15:29......vicariously baptizing those who had not had the chance to do such prior to their death.
be view by your cult as he ate bugs and wore camel hair clothing and
preached crying aloud.>
> DAVEH: Again.....nonsense. Jesus said......
>
> "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth
not shall be damned."
>
> .......Now let me ask you, Dean. Do you believe baptism (along with
belief) is necessary for salvation??? That is what Jesus said, and we preach it as so. Do
you????????????????????%%Was the thief on the cross baptized Dave-
Did he go with Jesus tooDAVEH: Yes he did, Dean. But that does not mean he was saved. Let me explain by quoting an exchange I had with TerryC in May of this year. (And what follows applies to recent posts I've received from Judy and a second one from TerryC regarding the same thing.)........
paradise that Day?
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Terry Clifton wrote:
> and the thief on the cross, both of which would seem to punch holes in your argument,
DAVEH: I've discussed this in TT several times before, Terry. But it was prior to your joining, so I'll happily discuss it with you too.
> receiving salvation
DAVEH: You are reading into Scripture what is not there, Terry. What makes you think the thief was saved? While no claim of salvation is made by Scripture, many folks make that mistaken assumption based on the comment that Jesus made that he (Jesus) would see him (the thief) in paradise.
Contrary to popular opinion Terry, paradise is not a part of heaven, but rather a part of the spirit world. One does not enter heaven until after the judgment, which for most will happen sometime in the future.
The reason we know the thief did not go directly to heaven is because Jesus told him........
"........Verily I say unto thee,
To day shalt thou be with me in
paradise." (Lk 23:43)
..........Now, where did Jesus go
that day (which was Friday)? We know
it was not heaven, because 2 days
later he said to
Mary........
"......Touch me not; for I am not
yet ascended to my Father:......" (Jn
20:17)
.......So Terry, since Jesus had
not yet returned to his Father until
Sunday (after he met Mary), then
it follows that he spent the
previous day or so NOT in heaven.
That brings up the question of where
was he? I have quoted this
verse before, but will do so
again.......
"For Christ also hath once suffered
for sins, the just for the unjust,
that he might bring us to God,
being put to death in the flesh,
but quickened by the Spirit:
By which also he went and preached unto
the spirits in prison; Which sometime
were disobedient, when
once the long-suffering of God
waited in the days of Noah, while the ark
was a preparing, wherein few, that
is, eight souls were saved
by water." (1Pet 3:18-20)
.......And, what was he doing there?........
"For for this cause was the gospel
preached also to them that are dead,
that they might be judged according
to men in the flesh, but
live according to God in the spirit."
(1Pet 4:6)
........So, it seems reasonable
to conclude that paradise is not in
heaven, but a part (with spirit
prison) of the spirit world where
Jesus taught the gospel to those
who had not yet heard it. This gives
evidence of several things.....
1. Spirits exist after death and prior to being resurrected.
2. The gospel can be taught to those who have previously died.
3. Those spirits have free agency to accept the gospel.
4. The reason the gospel is
taught in the spirit world, is that the
spirits who have not had the opportunity
to hear the gospel while
alive would hear it in the spirit
world so that they could be judged as
though they were still in the flesh,
but return to heaven.
5. The spirit world is comprised of a paradise and a spirit prison.
6. And finally, the thief
was not necessarily "saved" merely because Jesus said he would meet him
in paradise.
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........So Dean, that is what the Bible says. Why do you understand it differently???
DAVEH: Hmmmmm........do you suppose they forgot to invite the streetDAVEH: Thank you for grinning while you said that, Dean! Maybe you have a sense of humor after all.....!!! :-)
preachers? <VBG>%% I doubt it- We are hard to forget Dave (VBG)
My advice is for you not to attempt to judge my emotions by my statements-this would leadDAVEH: Naw.......I missed your wink, Dean. You merely smiled. This is what a wink looks like.... ;-)
you into making a mistake and could very easily lead you into a trap due to
the fact that you are viewing a screen not my face . Right now I just
winked at you-did you see that :-)
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