BlaineRB: I THINK we agree here, but MAYBE NOT No authoritative Mormon ever taught THAT we intend to be equal with God, or the trinity, or whatever you choose to call it. <snip> We believe we will be Gods in the sense that we will have access to all power that is God's, to continue in eternity--as the parable of the prodigal son suggests, the faithful son was given access to all that his father possessed.
You make a fine distinction here, hedging your bets?
If you progress forever you will reach and pass the pointy that the LDS heavenly father is at right now.
"As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become." Lorenzo Snow,
Millennial Star, Vol 54, pg 404
But he will progress further, so you will never catch him.
Besides he will have his planet & you will have yours. he will have his eternal seed & you yours.
Question, I have always wondered about this. it is real puzzling.
If you worship this father are you sealed to him as his seed?
Then how can you break his family circle to start your own planet?
In fact how can all the males joined to you for all eternity leave and do their own planet?
God's offspring, we have His attributes in us. We are gods in embryo, and
thus have an unlimited potential for progress and attainment.” Teachings
of Ezra Taft Benson, p21
"Here then is eternal life - to know the only wise and true God; and you
have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priest to
God, the same as all gods have done before you --- and to sit in glory, as
do those who sit in everlasting power --- What is it? To inherit the same
power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the
station of a God, and ascend the throne of eternal power" Teachings of the
Prophet Joseph Smith, pg 346-347
"There never was a time when there were not spirits; for they are co-equal
[co-eternal] with our Father in heaven." Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p 353
"As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become." Lorenzo Snow,
Millennial Star, Vol 54, pg 404
"To know God we must know ourselves. All the personal attributes which are
ascribed to God by men, we find in ourselves. ... Mormonism does not tend
to debase God to the level of man, but to exalt man to the perfection of
God." Charles W. Penrose (First Counselor to Heber J. Grant), Millenial
Star,Vol 23, pg 181 Gospel through the Ages Milton R Hunter p 107
"God and man are of the same race, differing only in their degrees of
advancement." Dr John A Widtsoe Rational theology p 61
Gospel through the Ages Milton R Hunter p 107
Gospel through the Ages Milton R Hunter p 107
DC 132:19 Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; . . . and shall
inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all
heights and depths . . . they shall pass by the angels, and the gods,
which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things"
Dictionary \Ex`al*ta"tion\, n. [L. exaltatio: cf. F. exaltation.]
1. The act of exalting or raising high; also, the state of
being exalted; elevation.
2. (Alchemy-wizardry) The refinement or subtilization of a body, or
the increasing of its virtue or principal property.
1. The act of exalting or raising high; also, the state of
being exalted; elevation.
2. (Alchemy-wizardry) The refinement or subtilization of a body, or
the increasing of its virtue or principal property.
3. (Astrology) That place of a planet in the zodiac in which it
was supposed to exert its strongest influence.
was supposed to exert its strongest influence.
\Ex`al*ta"tion\, n. (Medical)
An abnormal sense of personal well-being, power, or
importance, -- a symptom observed in various forms of insanity.
JOE says:
to sit in glory, as do those who sit in everlasting power To inherit the same power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of a God, and ascend the throne of eternal power"
SATAN says: Is 14;13-14
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
So what is the difference between Joe & Satan?
Is there SOME truth in Both of them?
God says:
Is 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
God sys no throne for you just a pit!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BlaineRB: I THINK we agree here, but MAYBE NOT No authoritative Mormon ever taught THAT we intend to be equal with God, or the trinity, or whatever you choose to call it. <snip> We believe we will be Gods in the sense that we will have access to all power that is God's, to continue in eternity--as the parable of the prodigal son suggests, the faithful son was given access to all that his father possessed.Judy: Blaine your system is an "adept/occult" one just like the tower of Babel where everyone ascends to heaven step by step. The following are the words of your founder Joseph Smith and are taken from a sermon given at the funeral of Elder Follett just two months before his (Smith's) assassination in Carthage, Illinois.Joseph Smith says (as recorded in Times & Seasons August 1, 1844):"I am going to inquire after God, for I want you all to know Him and to be familiar with Him ... I will go back before the beginning, before the world was, to show you what kind of a being God is."God was once as we are now, an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens ... I say, if you were to see Him today, you would see Him like a man in form - like yourselves and all the person, image and very form of man. I'm going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for certainty the character of God, to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that he was one a man like us, yea, that God Himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ did.. [....]"Here then is eternal life - to know the only wise and true God, and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests, the same as all gods before you, namely by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one, from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead and are able to dwell in the everlasting burnings, and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power"Is the above what you believe Blaine? That is, that you learn how to be gods by going from one small degree to another like ALL gods (plural) before you? The adept system described above is foundational to freemasonry as well as the ancient mystery religions but has nothing to do with the one true God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.Blaine: Again, you are setting up little straw men to knock over. This is the lie MANY anti Mormons perpetrate. Talk about
lies!!I wrote: Hold on Blaine, I didn't set up any straw men; I read this thing about being gods in the writings of Joseph Smith and I don't consider myself anti anything. I am just pro Jesus of Nazareth .... the living Christ.Judy: I need to clarify as I was convicted later about the above statement. I am not anti ppl and this includes Mormon ppl but I am anti anything that puts a stumbling block in the way of truth and this would include Mormon doctrine and the Mormon structure.**Can you honestly tell me Blaine that I have set up a "straw man?"Grace and Peace,JudyOn Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:14:10 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ***Hi Judy, It is always a delight to read your stuff, but you seem
> to be
> speaking more from traditional Christianity than from the original
> teachings of the Bible. In Genesis (first book, second page, so you
> need
> not search too hard)ch1 verse 26 it uses the plural to tell us that
> :
> And God said, let US make man in OUR image after OUR likeness."
> Would you care to comment on what that means?
>
> Hi Blaine:
> In Genesis 1:26 in the plural is Elohim or the Godhead. I don't use
> the
> word trinity because it is not scriptural. Godhead is and this
> consists
> of
> the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit; they are not three Gods but
> three manifestations of the one true God.
>
> Judy
>
>
>
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:39:24 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > The Mormons on TT are probably aware that Joseph Smith was heavily
> > into Freemasonry among other things and this is where the lie
> > originates
> > because Freemasonry today represents the ancient mystery religions
> -
> > In
> > his book Morals and Dogma of Freemasonry author Albert Pike writes
>
> > that the Prince of Mercy Degree makes Satan the creator and
> > Freemasonry also teaches that we are all gods, so Joseph Smith was
>
> > just
> > teaching what he had been taught since he went through all of
> these
> > degrees.
> >
> > The prophet Isaiah teaches that there were no gods before and
> there
> > will
> > be no gods after Jesus. Mormonism teaches that god was a man who
> > ascended into godhood so the Mormon religion is rooted in the lie
> > and
> > since
> > there are Freemasons in leadership positions in many protestant
> > churches
> > (unless they take a stand against it) and the Government of the US
>
> > is
> > permeated with them - this is something we need to reckon with.
> The
> >
> > cornerstones of many of the buildings in D.C. (including the
> Capitol
> > itself)
> > were layed by Freemasons. So we should ask ourselves....
> >
> > Whose report will we believe? That of the Lord, or will we follow
> > Israel's
> > example and fall into apostasy and error?
> > Grace and Peace,
> > Judy
>
> ***Hi Judy, It is always a delight to read your stuff, but you seem
> to be
> speaking more from traditional Christianity than from the original
> teachings of the Bible. In Genesis (first book, second page, so you
> need
> not search too hard)ch1 verse 26 it uses the plural to tell us that
> :
> And God said, let US make man in OUR image after OUR likeness."
> Would you care to comment on what that means?
> >
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Ruben wrote: Then we arrive at Salt Lake city in the same
> fashion,
> > where we exhort those that have perverted God, teaching that he
> was
> > once
> > like us.or we will be gods..HOW PERVERTED.
> >
> > Blaine: I think this is purely a judgement call on Ruben's part.
>
> > There are many good scriptures showing God allows us--wants us--
> > to be like him. Here is one of them--I will try to find more
> > tomorrow if
> > needed:
> > 1 John 3:2 "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth
> > not yet appear what we shall be: But we know that, when he shall
> > appear,
> >
> > we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is."
>
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