Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim & Jehovah 2 sinners?

[Blaine Borrowman]

Blaine writes: If you are defining  "mortal" as having carnal tendencies, we all--including Jesus Christ--inherited those from the fall of Adam.  He just overcame them without sinning, something the rest of us have apparently not been able to do.  God may have been a Jesus Christ type person, a redeemer, who was a mortal yet without sin--ever consider that possibility?  Kevin, you could have come up with that yourself.  Why do you even ask these questions?  It seems to us you are constantly trying to set up little straw men for us so you can then knock them over.  (:>)  Same old, same old.  ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:11 AM Subject: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim & Jehovah 2 sinners? There are no direct quotes stating the 'god' of Mormonism was a sinner. It follows, if you follow the teachings to logical conclusions Judge for yourself...   Apostle Orson Hyde, "God our Heavenly Father was perhaps once a child, and mortal like we are, and rose step by step in the scale of progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome, until He has arrived at the point where He now is" Journal of Discourses 1:123 Mortal means capable of Death. Why are you mortal? What did he OVERCOME?   1976 LDS manual "Achieving a Celestial Marriage, "... our Father in heaven was once a man as we are now, capable of physical death." p132   Apostle Bruce McConkie "The Father is a glorified, perfected resurrected, exalted man who worked out his own salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same" A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p 64 To be resurrected this god must have DIED! If he needed to work out his salvation he must have been LOST! He must have been a SINNER, cause he was LOST & DIED. ("wages of sin is death" Rm 6:23) Jesus did not work out his own salvation! "Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?" John 8:46   Apostle Bruce R. McConkie wrote, ". . .the process of gaining salvation is one of cleansing himself from sin. . ." MD p 536 Since the god of mormonism worked out his own salvation he must have cleansed himself from sin.   A god who was once a sinner, struggled with sin, the world, and the devil. These ideas are EXTREMELY REPULSIVE The One & ONLY TRUE God of the Bible Was ALWAYS God Ps 90:2 "from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God" Is HOLY JUST & PURE, was never never ever a SINNER! PS 111:9 "holy and reverend is his name" David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Blaine and DaveH, Do you believe that Father God himself sinned in the past, and that is how he has knowledge of good and evil? Do you believe that Jesus Christ himself also has sinned in his past? Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes